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Old March 23rd, 2012, 08:20 PM   #1101
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If HY North tower gets a tenant before 3WTC I think I'll puke. I'll understand why, but I ain't gonna like it.
You'd puke? Hudson Yards North looks way better than that boring POS 3 WTC. 3 WTC used to be a beautiful tower, up until about a few months ago when it was value engineered. Now it's basically a box. Now, if we're talking 2 WTC then that's a different story all together.

I'd much rather have the Hudson Yards than Tower 3.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 08:27 PM   #1102
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HY North tower is taller and better than 3WTC so I wouldn't mind...
So what if HY North is taller. The WTC is a far more critical redevelopment site IMHO. It's been six years since the PA/Silverstein unveiled the masterplan for the WTC. And it probably still won't be finished by the end of this decade...

I wish the HY area would gear their focus more on the residential towers first, then do the office towers.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 08:48 PM   #1103
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So what if HY North is taller. The WTC is a far more critical redevelopment site IMHO. It's been six years since the PA/Silverstein unveiled the masterplan for the WTC. And it probably still won't be finished by the end of this decade...

I wish the HY area would gear their focus more on the residential towers first, then do the office towers.
But I've pretty much given up on the WTC redevelopment, it will finish, but who knows when, the people in charge are just way too greedy and stupid for their own good, so I don't feel bad.

It would be good to have bigger towers rise in midtown to embarrass silverstein and the PA.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 09:36 PM   #1104
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2 and 3 WTC, 15 Penn, and Manhattan West will be built in time. I'd prefer to see the Yards' towers rise simultaneously since they play off one another. Also, with the possible exception of 2 WTC, the 400m+ north tower will be among the best office buildings under construction in the world.
400+m? The North tower is not even 400m!
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 09:39 PM   #1105
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You'd puke? Hudson Yards North looks way better than that boring POS 3 WTC. 3 WTC used to be a beautiful tower, up until about a few months ago when it was value engineered. Now it's basically a box. Now, if we're talking 2 WTC then that's a different story all together.

I'd much rather have the Hudson Yards than Tower 3.
I used to think the same, until I examined the building closely. The building looks more sleek and modern now without the cross bracing. It was always a box anyway. I would hardly call it a POS, that is just foolishness.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 10:28 PM   #1106
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3 WTC looks much better without the bracing. But I find these building to be more interesting. I'm so happy we're getting those two boxes with the spire.
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Old March 23rd, 2012, 11:06 PM   #1107
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400+m? The North tower is not even 400m!
Sorry, it's 396m! No first-world city has anything like it.
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Old March 24th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #1108
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Hong Kong, Chicago and Shanghai aren't first world cities? Really? hmm...


Regardless, good for NYC
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Old March 24th, 2012, 01:41 AM   #1109
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I wish the HY area would gear their focus more on the residential towers first, then do the office towers.
As we have discussed many a time across threads, the Midtown office market has significant latent demand which the WTC site is unlikely to address although Conde Nast did "defect" to Lower Manhattan.
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Old March 24th, 2012, 02:01 AM   #1110
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Hong Kong, Chicago and Shanghai aren't first world cities? Really? hmm...


Regardless, good for NYC
Neither HK, nor Chicago, are building office towers of this calibre right now. Shanghai is not in a first-world country.
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Neither HK, nor Chicago, are building office towers of this calibre right now. Shanghai is not in a first-world country.
You said first world city, China may not be, but Shanghai as a city is developed.

I was saying that other cities already have buildings of this caliber, not that it isn't good that NY is building one, it's great it is, but no need to put down other cities.
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Old March 24th, 2012, 07:41 AM   #1112
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You said first world city, China may not be, but Shanghai as a city is developed.

I was saying that other cities already have buildings of this caliber, not that it isn't good that NY is building one, it's great it is, but no need to put down other cities.
I hate this, the massive misconception of the term 'first world' has warped a definition so far that it can be used against someone.

You realize the ridiculousness of the words your putting in his mouth?

'No developed city has 400m supertalls'
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Old March 24th, 2012, 07:59 AM   #1113
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who was that directed to? I didn't say "No developed cities have buildings over 400m"

But in either case, you're right, the term first world is misleading, and outdated.
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Old March 25th, 2012, 12:43 AM   #1114
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There is talk of Perini, with the support of Related, trying to take this entire project non-union, saving them roughly $250mm per tower when distributed over the entire plan.

While they might try to do it, I don't see that happening, and I could see a real ugly situation if they push for it hard.

NYC- Boston-Chicago, the last strongholds of almost entirely union work.
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Old March 25th, 2012, 02:13 AM   #1115
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You said first world city, China may not be, but Shanghai as a city is developed.

I was saying that other cities already have buildings of this caliber, not that it isn't good that NY is building one, it's great it is, but no need to put down other cities.
First (and 2nd or other) doesn't only have to do with development.
1st world was the west, including Australia
2nd the (former) communist countries
3rd the developing countries
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Old March 25th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #1116
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As they said above - It's outdated! So just leave it alone.....
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Old March 26th, 2012, 01:21 AM   #1117
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that's a really amazing development for new york, congratulations!
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Old March 26th, 2012, 02:55 AM   #1118
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Wow, I didn't even notice that this tower is taller than the Empire State Building.

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So what if HY North is taller. The WTC is a far more critical redevelopment site IMHO. It's been six years since the PA/Silverstein unveiled the masterplan for the WTC. And it probably still won't be finished by the end of this decade...

I wish the HY area would gear their focus more on the residential towers first, then do the office towers.

Well, that's their problem. Unlike the WTC, Hudson Yards is being built by a competent group of people and I couldn't care less if 3WTC is still a stump while the Hudson Yard's gorgeous North Tower is up and dominating the Midtown skyline!
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Old March 26th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #1120
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Eventually, both will be built is my guess, but it will be interesting to see how they compete for the big tenants.
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