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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #1681
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Why an *?
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*=hasn't yet begun construction
It's the first line
Yes, but Tim1807 is right, he marked in bold WTC two and three that have begun construction. Two is stalled and the other may be stalled soon, but they're still working on it.
But in both towers the construction has begun, maybe he should marked them as "on hold"
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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #1682
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No. The metric system is superior and is replacing feet, yards and others.
Exactly, plus 1000 feet does not equal 300 meters, so 300 meters rules since it's used in every country but one
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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #1683
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The UK uses feet, miles, pounds, etc. also.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #1684
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American thread on an international forum. The solution is as easy as including both.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:29 PM   #1685
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NY is an American city, feet should be used, until such a point America switches to Metric. Despite saying that, I do measure most other buildings in Metric now.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 06:33 AM   #1686
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I like this rendering.

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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:51 PM   #1687
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http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/11/...l-development/

November 2012.

Hudson Yards — the next frontier in hotel development

More than a half-dozen projects are being planned for the Far West Side

November 01, 2012
By C. J. Hughes

Manhattan’s Far West Side is poised to see a new wave of hotel development.

Much attention has been paid to the new office towers planned for the Hudson Yards redevelopment on Manhattan’s Far West Side.

But the area, which is still largely industrial, may also soon be dotted with new hotels, too.


....Justin Elghanayan of Rockrose Development, which is considering a hotel at one of its West Side sites, Ryan Nelson of Sherwood Equities, which is planning a 700,000-square-foot hotel at 360 10th Avenue, and architect David Childs...
Architect David Childs is designing a tower at Related’s Hudson Yards that will include a 200-room hotel. The two-pronged tower is pictured in the center of the rendering.

While much of the expected office construction in the area is not expected to be complete until after the newest stop on the No. 7 Subway line is extended into the area in 2014, hotels are a different story.

Sources say there is not as much concern about competition flooding the market.

“Hotels are better in the short-term,” Knakal said. While it will take time to plan and build these hotels, they are still likely to be built before other projects, he said.

Others point out that the decade-old Best Western Convention Center Hotel, adjacent to the Chetrit site at 522 West 38th Street and one of the only existing hotels in the immediate neighborhood, frequently sells out its 83 rooms. (A queen-size room there costs about $350 a weekend night.)

A condo-hotel will also rise at the largest development site: the 26-acre parcel over the rail yards itself, where the Related Companies and Oxford Properties are slated to construct more than a dozen towers, or almost 13 million square feet.

To be located at West 33rd Street and 11th Avenue, the tower is being designed by One World Trade Center architect David Childs and is scheduled to be completed by 2017. It will include a 200-room hotel along with office and retail, according to a source at Related.

One major lure for hotel developers is the Hudson Park and Boulevard, a four-acre mix of streets and parks planned for a strip that runs from West 33rd to West 42nd streets, between 10th and 11th avenues, in a mid-block location.

Hotel developers, who often shy away from mid-block sites because they don’t offer high enough visibility, will like the additional new corner lots created by the boulevard, brokers and landlords say.

The boulevard’s first section, between West 33rd and West 36th streets, is scheduled to be done by 2013.

For a while, a proposal by Governor Andrew Cuomo to raze the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center at West 34th Street threatened to put hotel plans on hold. (The hotel’s conventions draw visitors looking for rooms.)

However, the idea was shelved last summer when a plan to build an alternative convention hall in Queens unraveled.

“It matters a lot that it’s staying,” said Justin Elghanayan, the president of Rockrose Development, which owns several properties in the area.

One of the sites Rockrose owns is an entire-block parcel along West 39th Street off 10th Avenue by the new boulevard, a site that can accommodate 420,000 square feet of residential development and 1 million square feet of commercial development under the current zoning.

That latter commercial piece has been marketed for a 1,200-room hotel, Elghanayan said, though that kind of project, which would be a first for Rockrose, would require a partner.

However, Elghanayan and other developers expressed concern that because many parcels in the area are large, hotels aren’t an ideal use. That’s because they would have more rooms than current demand can support.

Plus, hotels are “not beneficial for us from a tax perspective,” said Jared Della Valle, president of Alloy Development, which owns a 500,000-square-foot parcel along the boulevard.

Indeed, the payment in lieu of taxes program (PILOT), which gives Hudson Yards developers a reduced property tax bill for 30 years, is not available to builders of hotels, he said.

Still, Alloy, which mostly develops boutique condos, has not ruled out the idea; it’s currently teamed with Mort Zuckerman’s Boston Properties, which has built hotels, to explore all options for the site, Della Valle said.


Scuttled projects revived?

Whether the new interest in hotels will revive scuttled plans for old hotel projects remains to be seen. The state, which owns the land facing the Javits Center, has been pushing for a hotel there since the convention facility was built in 1986. But no hotel has ever been built.

In 2008, after many delays, three developers — Extell Development, the Moinian Group and FaulknerUSA — submitted bids to build on the site. But state officials ended up returning their money as concerns mounted over the fate of the Javits, which was also in need of a massive renovation.

But that $463 million renovation is nearing its 2013 completion. And the site, which is where workers are installing a vent for the No. 7 train, will be empty again once the new subway station opens in 2014. “There’s always the possibility in the future to do a hotel there,” said Barbara Lampen, president of the New York Convention Center Development Corp., which owns the land.

Lampen added that there’s a state-owned (and similarly empty) parcel that might be desirable for a hotel south of Javits, too. The site of a truck parking lot, it’s a skinny lot located between West 34th and West 35th streets from 11th to 12th avenues.

Those types of smaller lots can be advantageous, said Ryan Nelson, a vice president at Sherwood Equities, the developer that’s planning a 700,000-square-foot hotel for a corner lot at 360 10th Avenue at West 30th Street.

The 50-story hotel, which is still in the design stages and has not yet been permitted, could have up to 500 rooms and also may contain offices, said Nelson. The building “should” be completed in 2016, he said.

Sherwood, which developed the Renaissance New York Times Square Marriott, bought the site in 2011 from Barclays Bank, which took control from previous owner Extell.

In the end, hotels will go where tourists go, which is in part why Sherwood is taking its plunge. Its site is served by a spur of the High Line, the popular railroad-turned-park that loops through the area. In fact, the hotel could be the first since the Standard Hotel in the Meatpacking District opened in 2009 to offer direct access to the High Line.

And “from a tourism perspective, we are just two blocks from Penn Station,” Nelson said. “It just makes sense that [this area] is where the growth will take place.”

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Old November 21st, 2012, 10:26 AM   #1688
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Old November 21st, 2012, 01:50 PM   #1689
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Sorry, Erbse. i thought that we could post the article if we included the link. I'll take note.

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Old November 21st, 2012, 04:14 PM   #1690
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Interesting article RW. Looking forward to actually seeing some of this stuff be built. Right now there just seems to be a lot of talk...

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Old November 21st, 2012, 04:18 PM   #1691
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Old November 21st, 2012, 07:24 PM   #1692
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 08:01 AM   #1693
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 10:03 PM   #1694
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The UK uses feet, miles, pounds, etc. also.
We use miles but tend to use metres and kg more recently.
p.s. This is a great project but I think they could have integrated the high line better.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 12:32 AM   #1695
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Gotta love the latest designs. Nothing better than a few slight angles and fauna terraces to mix up the boring old boxes and lead modern skylines into a better future. And then there's the styletastic deck! Absolutely grand!
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 12:43 AM   #1696
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that gonna be a new landmark for NYC!
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Old November 25th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #1697
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We use miles but tend to use metres and kg more recently.
p.s. This is a great project but I think they could have integrated the high line better.
Only one building in Phase 1 touches the Highline, and it's nicely integrated. We'll see what happens in Phase 2, which has substantially more of the Higline running through it.

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Old November 25th, 2012, 10:58 PM   #1698
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Looks good to me. Office workers can go there directly during lunch breaks.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:59 AM   #1699
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i went by the site today just driving around.

its pretty well cleaned up of debris and looks primed for work.
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Are those marble/granite leaned columns there? Sweet!
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