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Old February 8th, 2014, 12:08 PM   #281
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Hard to say what exactly is u/c. I just hope that all three towers will rise at the same time, but busan had multiple tower projects before and they were rising all at once, so i think it is likely
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What a unique design!!

And the three towers together just match perfectly.
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Old February 8th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #283
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412-meter building in busan....
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Old February 8th, 2014, 07:27 PM   #284
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I like them a lot but I still think Zenith towers are much better as a complex. I guess we will see after completion.
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I actually prefer the I'Park development; having aqua-blue glass-clad sail-shaped buildings seems perfect for a city built on the sea. I'm curious to see what the cladding on the towers in this development will look like.
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Old February 8th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #286
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i would really like to change it's status to U/C on SSP aswell, but i am still uncertain what exactly is U/C now...
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As far as i know L CITY is Under "PUBLIC WORK" process.

IT IS JUST BEGIN "PUBLIC WORK"(BASE CONSTRUCTION)

According to the news "PUBLIC WORK" need 16 months from beginning(December 2013)
Furthermore they not yet begin marketing for sale residence houses(191.7㎡, 214.8㎡, 247.9㎡ 3type houses)
L CITY ALMOST cancelled due to economic feasibility, but SK goverment L CITY designated as foreign investment allowed building. So china fund interesting this project..

bytheway If SK goverment select IBD as foreign investment allow, then IBD would not destroyed. SK dislike seoul
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that is great news. This is a spectacular project.
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Old February 9th, 2014, 05:04 AM   #289
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Inno, no need to take it personally. As beautiful as Busan is, everyone, both in South Korea and outside of it, knows that Seoul is ultimately a more important city. And I know that regionalism and rebalancing South Korea's economy away from Seoul is important to a lot of Korean politicians; that's why they're building Sejong City (although I think that's a particularly stupid project that's destined to fail). The Yongsan IBD development will happen, just eventually and not now. Meanwhile, appreciate how nice this project is, and how great Busan's skyline is starting to look .

However, it does seem like it was premature to move this thread to the U/C forum.
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Like I said on the Lotte World Tower thread, Busan is going to have an amazing skyline. Cannot wait!
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Inno, no need to take it personally. As beautiful as Busan is, everyone, both in South Korea and outside of it, knows that Seoul is ultimately a more important city. And I know that regionalism and rebalancing South Korea's economy away from Seoul is important to a lot of Korean politicians; that's why they're building Sejong City (although I think that's a particularly stupid project that's destined to fail). The Yongsan IBD development will happen, just eventually and not now. Meanwhile, appreciate how nice this project is, and how great Busan's skyline is starting to look .

However, it does seem like it was premature to move this thread to the U/C forum.
Even german pre-prime minister Gerhard Fritz Kurt Schröder the opposite concern Sejong City. But SK politicians built Sejong City. Because they need "votes". SK only one country which restrict their own capital(SEOUL).

Now Seoul under strong restrict. No college No company No foreigner No attract people(massive facility) can not built any building or get profit in Seoul.
It seems like a competition in global city marathon with only ONE LEG.

and right I thinks this L-CITY is premature to move U/C thread
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"Now Seoul under strong restrict. No college No company No foreigner No attract people(massive facility) can not built any building or get profit in Seoul. It seems like a competition in global city marathon with only ONE LEG."

That's not true. I read on the Joong-ang Ilbo that Korea received 12 million tourists last year, and that 10 million of those went to Seoul. That's more than 80%. If Seoul wants to continue to attract more tourists, yes, it will need to build more hotels and everything, but if it wants to grow for real, politicians in South Korea have bigger social problems to deal with than a Seoul mayor who is anti-development.
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I think that a city is marvellous when there are historical rests and modern buildings, like in Seoul. I don't want that Seoul become a large sea of grey buildings, like New York, Shenzhen, Tokyo or, now, also Busan. Seoul is wonderful also like now it is so, don't worry, Inno: tourists prefer historical rests like Namdaemun or Gwanghwamun, not skyscrapers (excluded, I think, 63 Building and the future LWT, that'll become the landmark of Seoul)
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"Now Seoul under strong restrict. No college No company No foreigner No attract people(massive facility) can not built any building or get profit in Seoul. It seems like a competition in global city marathon with only ONE LEG."

That's not true. I read on the Joong-ang Ilbo that Korea received 12 million tourists last year, and that 10 million of those went to Seoul. That's more than 80%. If Seoul wants to continue to attract more tourists, yes, it will need to build more hotels and everything, but if it wants to grow for real, politicians in South Korea have bigger social problems to deal with than a Seoul mayor who is anti-development.
My Friend I'm not talking about tourist but talking about weird law of SK.
I wonder is there any restrict law for restrain capital's grow in Europe(london,paris)?
As far as i know there is no restrict regulation in europe city such like "the 수도권규제법(sudogungyujaebub)" in SK
The Sudogungyujaebub is INTENTIONAL RESTRAIN LAW against seoul city's glow .
SK goverment copy from JAPAN'S tokyo restrict law.
But JAPAN goverment dismiss tokyo restrict relgulation since 1990. Because they understand this kind of restrict law decline city's grow and damage to JAPAN economy.
But SK still stick to sudogungyujaebub.

Have you ever heard any country who afraid their capital city's grow? SK only one...
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That's definitely not true. A lot of cities have regulations on their growth. And like Japan, South Korea's city development followed a primate-city model, where one city is much larger and more economically important than all the others (I'm sure you know this already).

I'm not saying that the mayor is dealing with Seoul's development in the right way all the time, but with regionalism and decentralization being such important parts of politics in SK, it's not surprising that laws like 수도권규제법 (you know I can read Hangul ) passed. Don't worry; Seoul is a strong city. If they focus more on improving quality of life there, people will always want to go there, either to visit or live, or build new projects. That's the most important thing for South Korea right now: making sure that life in the whole country is good enough, for everyone, to draw people from all over the world. That means social, education, and economic reformation, more than anything else.
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That's definitely not true. A lot of cities have regulations on their growth. And like Japan, South Korea's city development followed a primate-city model, where one city is much larger and more economically important than all the others (I'm sure you know this already).

I'm not saying that the mayor is dealing with Seoul's development in the right way all the time, but with regionalism and decentralization being such important parts of politics in SK, it's not surprising that laws like 수도권규제법 (you know I can read Hangul ) passed. Don't worry; Seoul is a strong city. If they focus more on improving quality of life there, people will always want to go there, either to visit or live, or build new projects. That's the most important thing for South Korea right now: making sure that life in the whole country is good enough, for everyone, to draw people from all over the world. That means social, education, and economic reformation, more than anything else.
Regionalism and decentralization is important for politicians. Because they need VOTE from people.
According to the report $ 40 billions can not invest on SEOUL due to 수도권규제법.(Suprised....So many of them invest or built factory in CHINA instead seoul.)
Right social factor is very important.
But At the moment under 수도권규제법 Seoul can not improve SOFTWARE(social, education, economic reformation).
This time is competition between CITY vs CITY. Shanghi, singapore,london go forwards but seoul remain behind with irrational restrict law.

Bytheway Maybe this issue will be endless argue....Let's call it a day.
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To be honest, Inno, everything I read that's critical about South Korea talks about how economic and social reforms are what's needed now to avoid following Japan's path into a lost decade: more openness to foreigners, women, Asian minority workers, gay people, single mothers; reduced working hours to increase worker productivity and increase women's workforce participation, service sector reform to make it more competitive with Korea's manufacturing industry (which is one of the world's best), weakening the chaebol's hold on South Korea's economy, less focus on teaching students through rote memorization, more free-time for children, better mental healthcare, increasing social safety net (especially for the elderly), more comprehensive environmental and human rights protections (for example, allowing conscientious objection, 양심적 병역 거부, from military service, and the election scandal with Park Geun-hye is very worrying), allowing inflation to reduce household debt levels and spur consumption. These reforms don't affect just Sudogwon, but the whole country.

I'm sorry, I don't know the details about 수도권규제법. When you have the time, could you inform me? Maybe you could do it through private messaging.

Edit: This is my 1,000th post .
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You hit the bloody nail on the head with that one.
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To be honest, Inno, everything I read that's critical about South Korea talks about how economic and social reforms are what's needed now to avoid following Japan's path into a lost decade: more openness to foreigners, women, Asian minority workers, gay people, single mothers; reduced working hours to increase worker productivity and increase women's workforce participation, service sector reform to make it more competitive with Korea's manufacturing industry (which is one of the world's best), weakening the chaebol's hold on South Korea's economy, less focus on teaching students through rote memorization, more free-time for children, better mental healthcare, increasing social safety net (especially for the elderly), more comprehensive environmental and human rights protections (for example, allowing conscientious objection, 양심적 병역 거부, from military service, and the election scandal with Park Geun-hye is very worrying), allowing inflation to reduce household debt levels and spur consumption. These reforms don't affect just Sudogwon, but the whole country.

I'm sorry, I don't know the details about 수도권규제법. When you have the time, could you inform me? Maybe you could do it through private messaging.

Edit: This is my 1,000th post .
I am deeply impressed by your profound insight concerning south korea's current social problems.
I agree with you that south korea has to put emphasis on improving quality of life, especially vulnerable members of society.

Also, I think that south korea must urgently solve the problem of uneven regional development for everyone in korea. (My term "development" has a meaning of "improving the quality of life," implying an interaction with humans and a sustainable nature, not buliding skyscrapers for extravagant and vanity for few people, even though I am a big fan of skyscrapers.)
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If you are interested in Busan, please visit Busan's thread.
You would discover the charming of unknown city, Busan, to the outside of the world yet.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post111278090
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