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Old May 7th, 2008, 03:23 AM   #21
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Disgusting, nothing compared to 99 Church. Absolutely horrendous are the only words to describe it with. At least it might complement the Beekman tower.
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It's no where near 8 Spruce Street and I'd have to say it's quite far from horrendous just because it's simple and glassy. Then I guess a lot of new buildings all over the world are also horrendous. Frankly, there has to be stuff like it. It's going to be one of the great glass towers of its size range in the area, adding a lot to the skyline and neighborhood, and I'm sure it will work perfectly with HY and the boom of new towers there, showing respect to the taller, larger and greater buildings on the way.

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Old May 7th, 2008, 03:49 AM   #23
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I'm being too harsh, Art Deco is my preference. Obviously I'm a slight bit biased.
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Old May 7th, 2008, 03:54 AM   #24
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Of course Art Deco was perhaps the greatest but that style just isn't in today. There are two or three new old fashioned towers like that, but maybe not as good as it was back then, so we'll see. The type of building in this thread is simple but that doesn't mean it's in any way bad; it's all defined by the glass facade. Perhaps in 90 years we'll desire buildings like the one here and see them as the greatest style. I would rather have this than a poor quality Art Deco skyscraper, or perhaps a simple Art Deco one when compared with a modern one that is too crazy or artificial.
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Old June 21st, 2008, 04:53 PM   #25
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Jerry Speyer's Loss Gary Barnett's Gain on Far West Side

by Eliot Brown
June 17, 2008

Jerry Speyer’s loss at the West Side rail yards seems to be working out pretty well for Gary Barnett.

With Mr. Speyer defeated—the chairman of Tishman Speyer Properties fumbled the $1 billion deal with the state to buy the site’s development rights in May, ultimately backing out of an agreement—so, too, has fallen his plan to raze a piece of a former elevated rail line that runs along the rail yards on 30th Street.

Enter Mr. Barnett.

The president of Extell Development is planning a 61-story Steven Holl-designed mixed-use tower on the northeast corner of 10th Avenue and 30th Street, from which he plans an elevated pedestrian bridge to the section of rail line.

That rail line section is a spur of the 1.5-mile High Line, the rail viaduct turned parkland that runs from Chelsea to the rail yards and has created a halo of rising property values at its perimeter. One would imagine that the building’s walkway to the spur, which itself is planned for parkland conversion now that Stephen Ross’ Related Companies has supplanted Tishman Speyer as the developer, would give a healthy boost to rents at the Extell building as well. Related has said it intends to preserve the spur.

So what will become of the spur?

The details are up to Related, and will be determined as it develops the rail yards; but Robert Hammond, co-founder of the group Friends of the High Line, said the space presents great design possibilities, as it is wider than much of the rest of the viaduct.

“There’s an opportunity for a public gathering space there,” he said.
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Old August 10th, 2008, 08:45 AM   #26
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I've seen renders of this tower - good to see development being planned.
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Old August 13th, 2008, 06:20 AM   #27
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I guess we will see. I hope they use low-e glass and recycled steel.

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Old October 25th, 2008, 08:55 AM   #28
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Beautiful tower,incredible proyects in new york,incredible proyects for a incredible city.
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Old October 28th, 2008, 11:15 PM   #29
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What is the latest news on this project?
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Old October 29th, 2008, 05:03 PM   #30
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And by the way, does anyone know what is planned in terms of public transport for this area? I mean... This tower + Hudson Yards + other buildings for sure... They MUST have planned another Subway line or something!
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Old October 29th, 2008, 06:38 PM   #31
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Hey that place looks like my bedroom!

But clearly no construction yet.
lol any updates?
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Old October 29th, 2008, 10:52 PM   #32
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Old October 30th, 2008, 08:10 AM   #33
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Rumored to be canceled.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 02:25 AM   #34
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Hmmm... I've got one word to describe my thoughts on this one; wacky. That doesn't necessarily mean bad, or good. Yet.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 10:40 AM   #35
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-Time to close the books on this one:

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Bank foreclosing on Extell site.

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October 28, 2009

Barclays has begun foreclosure proceedings on a development parcel owned by Extell Development Company on the far West Side.

The London-based bank filed suit against Extell over the weekend, claiming that the real estate firm has defaulted on a $28.8 million mortgage Barclays loaned the company in 2005.

The lawsuit names Extell's chief executive, Gary Barnett, as a personal guarantor on the debt, meaning he is responsible for paying portions of the mortgage if proceeds from a foreclosure saleforeclosure sale aren't sufficient to recoup the loan amount.

The guarantee could put Barnett on the hook for millions, especially since it would appear difficult to sell the land for the amount he paid. Real estate prices have dropped dramatically during the economic downturn, but perhaps no property type has fallen in the city more precipitously than land, whose value is typically tied to the economic prospects of the real estate that can be built on it.

According to according to the suit, Barnett borrowed the money to consolidate under a single, senior mortgage the debt from a collection of smaller parcels he had amassed to create the development site.

According to written reports, Barnett had planned to raise a soaring mixed-use skyscraper on the site, which is located at 350-366 Tenth Avenue between 30th and 31st Streets, during a period when the area appeared to be an important new frontier New Frontier

Barnett's parcel sits across the street from the West Side rail yards, a site envisioned as a westward expansion of midtown with millions of square feet of new commercial and residential space planned.

Perhaps sensing the opportunity to develop an adjacent property and be at the forefront of an emerging area, Barnett paid handsomely to amass a parcel on the relatively small block-front large enough to raise what he planned would be a soaring 600,000 s/f tower. Included in the project were even plans to construct a costly sky bridge over Tenth Avenue linking the property to the High Line.

Barnett was reported to have spent $23 million to buy up a property known as the Stuart Dean building in 2005, a low-rise structure he later demolished to clear the bulk of the site. Barnett later paid the Port Authority over $17 million for a 7,300 s/f section of land to expand the parcel in 2007.

Barclay's complaint, which was filed in State Supreme Court last Friday, states that Barnett failed to make an $84,021.38 interest payment for the loan that was due on June 9 and that there was no longer enough funds in an interest reserve to cover the missed amount.

Barclays says that it is owed close to $30 million after factoring in interest on the loan, which is now accruing at a higher rate because the mortgage is in default. In July alone, the bank said that $205,527.84 in interest at this default rate had been added to the mortgage balance, along with $14,477.46 in late fees

The bank notes that: "Barnett is liable for the full payment of all accrued and unpaid interest, including payment of any deficiency between the amount finally adjudged to be due and owing due and owing on the consolidated mortgage consolidated mortgage

Barnett did not responds to request for comment.

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Old August 21st, 2010, 10:43 AM   #36
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CHECKING OUT Powerhouse developer Extell won't be building a 61-story hotel at 356-366 10th Avenue after all. Why not? The company has lost the site to its lender after failing to keep up with interest payments. Extell blames financing troubles and the 7 train extension's failure to arrive on the West Side on the developer's schedule. [Real Deal; previously]


Extell loses first site ever with West Side parcel


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Old August 21st, 2010, 02:10 PM   #37
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The developer that buys this site from the bank may very well build that tower. Something tall will rise there. This area, which is currently a dump, will be magnificent in years to come when the parks, Hudson Yards, etc. are built
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November 2012.

Hudson Yards — the next frontier in hotel development

More than a half-dozen projects are being planned for the Far West Side

November 01, 2012
By C. J. Hughes

Manhattan’s Far West Side is poised to see a new wave of hotel development.

Much attention has been paid to the new office towers planned for the Hudson Yards redevelopment on Manhattan’s Far West Side.

But the area, which is still largely industrial, may also soon be dotted with new hotels, too.

In the blocks closest to the actual rail yards — namely, along 10th and 11th avenues in the West 30s — hotels are being planned or considered at more than a half-dozen sites, though the dealmaking is taking place under the radar, according to brokers, developers and city officials.

Hotels have been popping up in a 60-block area that was rezoned in 2005 for some time. Indeed, about 3,000 rooms have been added to the swath — which stretches from Eighth to 12th avenues and from West 30th to West 42nd streets. But they’ve mostly been relegated to the area’s edges, like near the Port Authority Bus Terminal, and they are generally marketed to Times Square tourists.

In contrast, the newest crop of hotels being considered would be clustered close to the rail yards, where there are currently very few places to get a room for the night. And, they would focus on a new market: the expected surge of workers, tourists and business travelers, according to analysts, who called the area Manhattan’s next hot hotel market.

“That whole corridor’s about to see a tremendous amount of growth,” said Jeffrey Davis, managing director of the hotel group at commercial firm Jones Lang LaSalle.

Justin Elghanayan of Rockrose Development, which is considering a hotel at one of its West Side sites, Ryan Nelson of Sherwood Equities, which is planning a 700,000-square-foot hotel at 360 10th Avenue, and architect David Childs

One big factor driving the trend for new hotels is that the zoning is largely commercial, meaning developers can’t put up as many apartment buildings as they can in other parts of the city. Indeed, many lots restrict the amount of housing that can be built to around 30 percent of construction, with the rest reserved for commercial development.

Thus, if developers want to make money off their land, they may be compelled to build hotels, brokers say.

Hank Sopher, a parking garage owner, has been marketing a parcel (now home to a parking lot) at the southeast corner of West 38th Street and 11th Avenue as a possible hotel site, brokers said. A message left with Quik Park, one of Sopher’s companies, was not returned.

Also, Edward Imperatore, whose family owns NY Waterway, has hired CBRE Group broker Darcy Stacom to explore the sale of an L-shaped lot on West 36th Street, just off 11th Avenue, according to Crain’s. A spokesperson for Imperatore did not return a request for comment. But sources said the site was being marketed as a hotel.

Hotel-condo hybrids are also an option. According to a broker close to the deal, that’s what the Chetrit Group is planning for a T-shaped, block-through site on West 37th Street that it purchased this summer for $26.5 million.

The parcel — which includes four adjacent lots at 541–545 West 37th and 540–544 West 38th streets — can support about 370,000 square feet of development, two-thirds of which could be a hotel, or up to 1,000 rooms, said Bob Knakal, chairman of Massey Knakal Realty Services. He represented the seller, Fortress Credit, in the deal.

Attempts to reach Chetrit were unsuccessful. But the company’s hotel division, King & Grove Hotels, has been actively acquiring hotels recently. In 2011, it spent $77.8 million on the Chelsea Hotel, which is currently in the midst of a major renovation.

Lure for hotels

Architect David Childs is designing a tower at Related’s Hudson Yards that will include a 200-room hotel. The two-pronged tower is pictured in the center of the rendering.

While much of the expected office construction in the area is not expected to be complete until after the newest stop on the No. 7 Subway line is extended into the area in 2014, hotels are a different story.

Sources say there is not as much concern about competition flooding the market.

“Hotels are better in the short-term,” Knakal said. While it will take time to plan and build these hotels, they are still likely to be built before other projects, he said.

Others point out that the decade-old Best Western Convention Center Hotel, adjacent to the Chetrit site at 522 West 38th Street and one of the only existing hotels in the immediate neighborhood, frequently sells out its 83 rooms. (A queen-size room there costs about $350 a weekend night.)

A condo-hotel will also rise at the largest development site: the 26-acre parcel over the rail yards itself, where the Related Companies and Oxford Properties are slated to construct more than a dozen towers, or almost 13 million square feet.

To be located at West 33rd Street and 11th Avenue, the tower is being designed by One World Trade Center architect David Childs and is scheduled to be completed by 2017. It will include a 200-room hotel along with office and retail, according to a source at Related.

One major lure for hotel developers is the Hudson Park and Boulevard, a four-acre mix of streets and parks planned for a strip that runs from West 33rd to West 42nd streets, between 10th and 11th avenues, in a mid-block location.

Hotel developers, who often shy away from mid-block sites because they don’t offer high enough visibility, will like the additional new corner lots created by the boulevard, brokers and landlords say.

The boulevard’s first section, between West 33rd and West 36th streets, is scheduled to be done by 2013.

For a while, a proposal by Governor Andrew Cuomo to raze the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center at West 34th Street threatened to put hotel plans on hold. (The hotel’s conventions draw visitors looking for rooms.)

However, the idea was shelved last summer when a plan to build an alternative convention hall in Queens unraveled.

“It matters a lot that it’s staying,” said Justin Elghanayan, the president of Rockrose Development, which owns several properties in the area.

One of the sites Rockrose owns is an entire-block parcel along West 39th Street off 10th Avenue by the new boulevard, a site that can accommodate 420,000 square feet of residential development and 1 million square feet of commercial development under the current zoning.

That latter commercial piece has been marketed for a 1,200-room hotel, Elghanayan said, though that kind of project, which would be a first for Rockrose, would require a partner.

However, Elghanayan and other developers expressed concern that because many parcels in the area are large, hotels aren’t an ideal use. That’s because they would have more rooms than current demand can support.

Plus, hotels are “not beneficial for us from a tax perspective,” said Jared Della Valle, president of Alloy Development, which owns a 500,000-square-foot parcel along the boulevard.

Indeed, the payment in lieu of taxes program (PILOT), which gives Hudson Yards developers a reduced property tax bill for 30 years, is not available to builders of hotels, he said.

Still, Alloy, which mostly develops boutique condos, has not ruled out the idea; it’s currently teamed with Mort Zuckerman’s Boston Properties, which has built hotels, to explore all options for the site, Della Valle said.

Scuttled projects revived?

Whether the new interest in hotels will revive scuttled plans for old hotel projects remains to be seen. The state, which owns the land facing the Javits Center, has been pushing for a hotel there since the convention facility was built in 1986. But no hotel has ever been built.

In 2008, after many delays, three developers — Extell Development, the Moinian Group and FaulknerUSA — submitted bids to build on the site. But state officials ended up returning their money as concerns mounted over the fate of the Javits, which was also in need of a massive renovation.

But that $463 million renovation is nearing its 2013 completion. And the site, which is where workers are installing a vent for the No. 7 train, will be empty again once the new subway station opens in 2014. “There’s always the possibility in the future to do a hotel there,” said Barbara Lampen, president of the New York Convention Center Development Corp., which owns the land.

Lampen added that there’s a state-owned (and similarly empty) parcel that might be desirable for a hotel south of Javits, too. The site of a truck parking lot, it’s a skinny lot located between West 34th and West 35th streets from 11th to 12th avenues.

Those types of smaller lots can be advantageous, said Ryan Nelson, a vice president at Sherwood Equities, the developer that’s planning a 700,000-square-foot hotel for a corner lot at 360 10th Avenue at West 30th Street.

The 50-story hotel, which is still in the design stages and has not yet been permitted, could have up to 500 rooms and also may contain offices, said Nelson. The building “should” be completed in 2016, he said.

Sherwood, which developed the Renaissance New York Times Square Marriott, bought the site in 2011 from Barclays Bank, which took control from previous owner Extell.

In the end, hotels will go where tourists go, which is in part why Sherwood is taking its plunge. Its site is served by a spur of the High Line, the popular railroad-turned-park that loops through the area. In fact, the hotel could be the first since the Standard Hotel in the Meatpacking District opened in 2009 to offer direct access to the High Line.

And “from a tourism perspective, we are just two blocks from Penn Station,” Nelson said. “It just makes sense that [this area] is where the growth will take place.”

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Here's what was planned for this site a couple of years ago:

And here's the site right now:
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 12:02 AM   #40
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the developer change the architect,unfortunately is not more Steven Holl.The design is changed you can see it in the web site of http://www.sherwood-equities.com/ project number 4
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