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Old November 29th, 2007, 06:53 PM   #61
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I wish the Japanese system would adopt a system of keeping the trains moving all night on Fridays.
On the other hand having it operated 24/7 is totally inefficient and waste of energy. It will also leave no time for inspection and maintenance of track making operation hazardous as well.
In cities like New York many sections are 3 or 4 tracked, meaning that 1 or 2 tracks can be inspected while services are run over the others.

Lower frequencies should allow trains to be run over just one track for short sections to operate a 24/7 service while still doing track maintenance.

It's not going to happen any time soon in London I think, not until all the signalling has been upgraded and requires less maintenance. Night buses are very frequent (100 routes, up to every 5 minutes!) and do the job quite nicely.

The Thameslink route does run 24 hours in its Central London section.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 12:18 AM   #62
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We have the same problem in Miami with Tri-Rail and Metrorail. Downtown Miami (served by Metrorail) is booming for nightlife, but Tri-Rail (which runs up to Fort Lauderdale & West Palm Beach) quits running long before midnight, and the last north and southbound Metrorail trains leave at Midnight. For a while, MDTA hemorrhaged cash running Metrorail once per hour all night (7 days/week... with almost no riders to speak of during the week), then threw out the baby with the bathwater and stopped doing it.

If I were put in charge of both, I'd run Metrorail every 10 minutes between 10pm Friday/Saturday and 2am Saturday/Sunday, and every 15 minutes between 2am and 4am on Saturday & Sunday. Tri-Rail would run every 20 minutes between 8pm and midnight on Friday and Saturday night, and every 30 minutes between midnight and 4am on Saturday & Sunday mornings... with guaranteed connections from northbound Metrorail to northbound Tri-Rail after midnight. If Monday is a public holiday (Memorial Day, etc), I'd do the same thing on Sunday night and Monday morning.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 01:43 AM   #63
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London can only watch in shame at the other cities with 24 subway running. There are plans for weekend 24 hour running (which probably won't occur without massive strikes and driver pay rises). Don't hold you breath!

London does have some 24 hour commuter lines however. Most of these cover parts of South London that have no subway and essentially the people there (like me) treat commuter trains as such. For everybody else there's an excellent Night Bus/24 hour Bus provision (one of the largest and busiest in the world in fact). My suburban road for example has a bus pass through at least every 8 minutes 24 hours a day.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 02:13 AM   #64
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Centurymax, are you sure that there is a 24/7 U bahn line in Berlin ? I think that you are wrong !!
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Old November 30th, 2007, 02:55 PM   #65
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Centurymax, are you sure that there is a 24/7 U bahn line in Berlin ? I think that you are wrong !!
Yes he is - they only run 24 hours on Friday and Saturday night at a 15 minute frequency. The U-bahn shuts down from 1:30 - 4:00 (2.5 hours) every night like I said earlier.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 05:35 PM   #66
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It's worth noting that the Berlin U-bahn operates 24 hours on Friday and Saturday nights for the weekend ...
Also in Hamburg, since 2004, as well the U-Bahn as S-Bahn, they run all-night service on Friday/Saturday and Saturday/Sunday as 20 minute service.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 06:02 PM   #67
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At the weekends, Barcelona metro is open from Saturday at 5am to Sunday at midnight: 35 hour non stop. All lines: 9 lines, trains every 15 minutes from midnight to 5am.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 06:08 PM   #68
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In Stockholm both the metro and the commuter trains will be running from friday morning to sunday night next year!
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Old December 1st, 2007, 04:46 AM   #69
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In cities like New York many sections are 3 or 4 tracked, meaning that 1 or 2 tracks can be inspected while services are run over the others.

Lower frequencies should allow trains to be run over just one track for short sections to operate a 24/7 service while still doing track maintenance.

It's not going to happen any time soon in London I think, not until all the signalling has been upgraded and requires less maintenance. Night buses are very frequent (100 routes, up to every 5 minutes!) and do the job quite nicely.
I guess with some modifications (interchanging crossing making single track operation possible) near selected station track would make it possible for 24/7 service in Tokyo while doing track maintenance but I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
The taxi industry would probably be the first to cry foul since it would be hit their industry the most.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 05:37 AM   #70
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Why Los Angeles hasn't a 24/7 subway ?
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 05:40 AM   #71
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i think TTC should have full night service on the Yonge line only all night on Friday and Sat night.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 02:44 AM   #72
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Great topic! Please keep posting which cities actually have it.


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On the other hand having it operated 24/7 is totally inefficient and waste of energy.
But night services provide excellent user-friendliness: no need to keep in mind start and end times of operation, night bus schedules, night bus routes.

Every no-service gap, and be it "only" 3 or 2 hours, is still a hassle and not comparable with a real all-night service.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 10:19 PM   #73
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Rhine-Ruhr area has a couple of S-Bahn lines and one light rail line with a weekend night service.
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Old December 4th, 2007, 09:29 PM   #74
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yes i can agree that the "s-bahn" and metro open 24hours on weekends
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Old December 12th, 2007, 06:30 PM   #75
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Why the subways of Madrid and Barcelona aren't open 24/7 ?
Are these 2 cities living all night ?
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Old December 12th, 2007, 07:31 PM   #76
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Why the subways of Madrid and Barcelona aren't open 24/7 ?
Are these 2 cities living all night ?
Last year, Madrid local government tried to open metro system all night during weekends.

But finally, due to disagreements with Metro union this idea did not start.

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Old December 12th, 2007, 09:43 PM   #77
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Why the subways of Madrid and Barcelona aren't open 24/7 ?
Are these 2 cities living all night ?
In Barcelona it is open from Saturday at 5am until Sunday at midnight. And next Spring, from Friday at 5am until Sunday at midnight.
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SkyTrain in Vancouver is planning 24/7 operation during the 2010 Winter Olympic Games. Otherwise it operates between 21.5 hours (friday) and 18.5 hours (sunday) per day.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 09:22 PM   #79
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Strike permitting, london has operates non-stop from 0500 (approx) 31st december to 0030 1st of Jan every year.

Don't hold your breath for anything more than that - Ken said we could have till 0130, that got cut to 0100 on consultation, and is now frozen due to union complaints.

Why can't the DLR run 24/7 weekends though (current construction work permitting)? Would be a huge perk to living there - particularly with the proposed west end extension.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 11:01 PM   #80
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The PATCO in Philly is also open 24/7, but it isn't a subway.
Actually PATCO headways in the night hours are 40 minutes, but the whole trip only takes 25 minutes. This means there are periods during the night, ranging from 5 to 10 minutes, when no trains are running anywhere on the line. And it is a subway in Philadelphia and Camden, though its zone-based fare structure resembles commuter rail (but some western European subways also have zones).

Boston, by the way, has no 24/7 subway service and no 24/7 bus service. And it's a college town!

Can Copenhagen and Turin just run trains 24/7 by flipping on a switch? It's not like they have drivers or anything.
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