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Old December 3rd, 2007, 06:43 PM   #21
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People don't like condo living in Montréal.

Montréal has a 360 degrees axis of developpments which make quality lands still attractive and pretty close to downtown montreal. People aren't intrested in being crammed in a 700sqf condo when they can get a single family house for about the same price.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 07:26 PM   #22
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'many of them 25 floors and more"MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT CONSIDER A BUILDING OF 25 FLOORS TO BE A SKYSCRAPER.
Emporis defines a high-rise as a building with 12 floors and more.

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Old December 5th, 2007, 02:24 PM   #23
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Then what is the difference between a skyscraper and a hi-rise?
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Old December 5th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #24
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Then what is the difference between a skyscraper and a hi-rise?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A loose convention in the United States (North America?)now draws the lower limit of a "skyscraper" at 150 meters (500 ft). A skyscraper taller than 300 meters (984 ft) may be referred to as supertall. In the United States, the supertall convention is 100 stories, which is equal to 1,000 feet. Shorter buildings are still sometimes referred to as skyscrapers if they appear to dominate their surroundings.

The somewhat arbitrary term skyscraper should not be confused with the slightly less arbitrary term highrise, defined by the Emporis Standards Committee as "A high-rise building is a multi-story structure with at least 12 floors or 35 meters (115 feet) in height."


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Old December 6th, 2007, 12:14 AM   #25
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People don't like condo living in Montréal.
although accustomed to living in flats.....semi-detacheds and detacheds are comparatively rare while duplexes, triplexes and quadplexes have been quite popular over the ages.


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Montréal has a 360 degrees axis of developpments
right: caves swarm the mountain while houseboats serve as bridges to the mainland way over yonder!
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Old December 6th, 2007, 08:01 AM   #26
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Plex flats are much bigger in surfaces than the current conds being built at this moment.

These maps speak for themselves, not gonna bother arguing with you over this:


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Old December 6th, 2007, 09:52 AM   #27
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went to montreal this past summer, such a beautiful city with lots of beautiful people.
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Old December 9th, 2007, 05:18 AM   #28
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Old December 10th, 2007, 05:13 AM   #29
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Looks great.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 09:41 PM   #30
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not gonna bother arguing with you over this:
You're excused, coz I think nothing of your stat-maps -- they fit snug into what I relate here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...0&postcount=90

Besides, they must be a bit questionable, after all, when you consider their going so far as to bother interpolating for the non-existant >12K threshold in 'n 'round the island here......I wonder what nonsense they wish to convey?
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Old December 20th, 2007, 10:39 PM   #31
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You're excused, coz I think nothing of your stat-maps -- they fit snug into what I relate here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...0&postcount=90

Besides, they must be a bit questionable, after all, when you consider their going so far as to bother interpolating for the non-existant >12K threshold in 'n 'round the island here......I wonder what nonsense they wish to convey?
What's the point you're trying to make exactly?

They're interpolating for that non-existant >12K threshold because statscan is a reputable source for maps/statistics and they aren't into the business of propaganda. As such, these choropleth maps have the same value ranges for their color associations.

Now, because these maps aren't spatially extensive, you don't get a complete picture of the population distribution, especially in the 12k+ range in Toronto for instance.

Anyway, i think it's clear the maps do speak for themselves and the point Malek is making is quite valid.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 11:08 PM   #32
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37 stories and it's the tallest building in Montreal in 15 years? That's sad. And buildings over 25 stories there are called skyscrapers? That's even sadder. Seems like it's been a slow and steady slide downhill since '67.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 11:18 PM   #33
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37 stories and it's the tallest building in Montreal in 15 years? That's sad. And buildings over 25 stories there are called skyscrapers? That's even sadder. Seems like it's been a slow and steady slide downhill since '67.
On the contrary, it's been steady progress since the turn of the century!
Montreal doesn't build in height, but it builds a fair amount, and along smart growth / new urbanism guidelines.

Density! That's what Montreal's about.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 12:36 AM   #34
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If Montreal is about density why does the population keep getting smaller? I guess those who are left keep huddling closer together for warmth!
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Old December 21st, 2007, 02:21 AM   #35
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First time I am reading that Montreal's population is declining... Do you have a source?
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Old December 21st, 2007, 02:24 AM   #36
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If Montreal is about density why does the population keep getting smaller? I guess those who are left keep huddling closer together for warmth!
Huh? Montreal is growing, not declining! In fact the entire province of Quebec has known a mini population boom as of late!

Here are the population figures:

Island of Montreal
1996 1,775,846
2001 1,812,723
2006 1,854,442

Montreal Metro
2001 3,451,027
2006 3,635,571 +5.3%
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why is this building not on Emporis?
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Old December 21st, 2007, 03:43 AM   #38
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why is this building not on Emporis?
Emporis seems to be a bit behind on all the Montreal projects... it's like they have no site staff following the updates on Montreal.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 04:57 AM   #39
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What's the point you're trying to make exactly?
I made my point in some other SSC posting of mine ages ago: N American statistics are so quacked-up (doctored-up), wherein the data smell of bland wizardry.....

Montreal's not a 360-degree town. There are obligatory bridges to overcome as well as some rocky hill more often necessitating skirting, all while the northern suburban communities amount to where most growth's taking place in and around the island here as opposed to being uniformly all about it.....
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I made my point in some other SSC posting of mine ages ago: N American statistics are so quacked-up (doctored-up), wherein the data smell of bland wizardry.....
I've studied mapping and statistics and they can indeed be manipulated to convey a point or give a contradictory impression. Here's an example: A choropleth map indicating population change by admistrative area. The administrative areas might not all have equal populations, which means you might end up with a rural area with 300 people that grows to 330. That's a whopping 10% increase! Yet it's a measly change of 30 people, whereas in the city 30,000 new people might be added but the percentage change is only 0.1%.

So, having said that, we can see that Statcan's population density maps are spatial intensive and simply cannot "lie", short of the data being falsified. Granted there is probably some averaging out done, but if it's done for one city, it's done for the others.

Smell of bland wizardry? You just need to develop a keen eye to maps and statistics.

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Montreal's not a 360-degree town. There are obligatory bridges to overcome as well as some rocky hill more often necessitating skirting
I'd have to say no. Montreal is a fairly 360-degree town. Obviously there's the park in the middle, but we like our park and wouldn't want it any other way. The west is unobstructed, the east is unobstructed, the north has multiple bridges to Laval, and the south, well, has fewer links, but small detours asside, there is coherent transportational links between north and south.

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No. Population and dwelling counts show increases across the board, except in some isolated areas. Granted, like you say, growth is mostly in some of the outlying subburbs, but again, don't be fooled by maps. An area with a population of 10 that shows a growth of 1000 inhabitants will post a 100 fold increase! However, in the city, the population change might be +50,000, but this is reflected by a meager 1% change.
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