I got attacked tonight by some little pricks....

[andysimo123]

... ye afew drinks out nearly turned into world war 3. Anyway my mate did a stupid thing won't say what it was but it didn't deserve what happened next. They started on my mate, he made peace but one lad wouldn't shut his hole. So I stepped up and told him to keep it quite. We've walked 150 meters away from and the next thing I know the same lad is running up behind me shouting his head off. Saying loads of shite. Am like calm down and his mates are like calm down and then it all kicks off. He goes for me afew times while a POLICE CAR GOES past and they didn't stop. Am like I've had enough of this, its cold, am drunk and am not in a state to fight and win. So I walk abit quicker then this little prick kicks me in the legs! I mean it was scary. This lad had lost it and I hadn't even done anything. It looked like he was on speed. I just got off at that point because it was either have aload of more hassle/plus afew black eyes or end up in a Police station. Good job that I know when its time to move. I know one of the lads names and he didn't say a word, shame about his mates through, bit a of a mistake starting on me.

[Æsahættr]

Maybe he was on speed...

scary scary.
glad you're okay

[Tubeman]

I'm intrigued what your mate did... C'mon, spill the beans... let us all judge him.

I'd be more pissed off with my 'mate' more than anything if he provoked the whole situation...

[Toadboy]

It's a jungle out there Simo.

[clarky]

I dont bother going into town because there are so many drunk pricks looking for a fight usaly they hunt hunt in packs or single out a weak guy.
You never know what could happen you could punch some guy in self defence he falls back cracks he head open and dies then you get sent to prison for murder.


In this video shown below a night out goes bad when two men are stabbed with one being fatal while the other three ended up going to prison.


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[legolamb]

Originally Posted by clarky

You never know what could happen you could punch some guy in self defence he falls back cracks he head open and dies then you get sent to prison for murder.

in that case you couldn't go to prison for murder if you can prove it was in self defence. You've got every right to defend yourself in that situation.

Of course the difficulty lies in proving it to a jury under close scrutiny.

Best to just get your head down and try to stear clear of any pissed up, angry people. in the long run, it is their own lives that will suffer if they see everything with a 'me vs. the world' attitude.

[Erebus555]

You could still get done for manslaughter though.

[Rigadon]

No you can't

[Erebus555]

If you kill someone in an unplanned attack or didn't intend to kill them then you can get done for manslaughter. However, if it was in self defence, then the chances of you actually getting sent to prison for it is probably lessened. Although, I am no lawyer.

[Irwell]

Originally Posted by Erebus555

If you kill someone in an unplanned attack or didn't intend to kill them then you can get done for manslaughter. However, if it was in self defence, then the chances of you actually getting sent to prison for it is probably lessened. Although, I am no lawyer.

If the amount of force which led to the death would be considered "reasonable" after the fact in those specific circumstances then the death would be considered self defence. If the amount of force was considered unreasonable but there was no demonstrable intent to kill then the person would be charged with manslaughter. If the amount of force was considered unreasonable and there was a demonstrable intent to kill then the person would be charged with murder. It's a very grey area in terms of what is considered "reasonable" and also how you demonstrate an intent to kill.

[Stormwatch153]

I think carrying a gun these days wherever you go is the best solution, pricks don't like to mess with the peace of metal. Even in my hometown which has about 120.000 inhabitants it is dangerous to walk by night alone and not to speak about large metropolitan areas in the world. Here I have been myself atacked dozen of times and our Police is doing nothing to prevent it.

[Erebus555]

But carrying a gun can get you into more trouble than actually fighting people like this. Not that I am advocating fighting them. The best thing to do is actually to walk away, even if it persists like Andy did. He made a wise choice!

[Zim Flyer]

Originally Posted by clarky

I dont bother going into town because there are so many drunk pricks looking for a fight usaly they hunt hunt in packs or single out a weak guy.

it's a sad inditement on our society but you are right clarky, it's not just cities but town centre's up and down the land face similar problems. I will never go in to town on a Thursday, Friday or saturday night for the reasons that you mention.

We need to sort out the way alcahol consumed en masse by a minority of people in this country leads to them for three nights of each week controling our city and town centres.

[Bones]

The one positive thing about the story is that at least the police car didn't stop. Now no report has to be filed of an incident, saving the local police station hours of paperwork. This would also have had the undesirable effect of damaging the local station's statistical crime targets. Let us make sure that if unfortunately crime is to occur, then at least we can wage a vigorous war against recording it. That way the Government can continue to parade their falling crime statistics.

[gothicform]

it's a sad inditement on our society but you are right clarky, it's not just cities but town centre's up and down the land face similar problems. I will never go in to town on a Thursday, Friday or saturday night for the reasons that you mention.

there was a case here a couple of weeks ago where a guy was beaten up outside the bar i usually go to. the police were called but the assailants ran off. the police responded by arresting the victim who was very badly concussed after punching him in the face three times infront of about 50 people and sticking him in the cells overnight. during his custody they "lost" his wallet and phone, they charged him, and then drove him into the middle of the countryside in a police car and dumped him. no money, no phone, nothing, the guy with a bad concussion had to walk home! the case came to court anyway where he was charged for resisting arrest and the judge threw it out after he saw the cctv footage of what happened and then said the policemen should be in the dock (of course they havent been prosecuted).
unfortunately this is fairly common with people fighting on a friday night, the elton john song "saturday night is alright for fighting" is actually written about lincoln's nightlife... the lyricist is a local. ive seen plenty of brawling in the streets, often with the police standing back and watching, ive never ever seen the police intervene during a fight and seperate people nor have i ever seen the police manage to catch a group of people who beat up someone. they always arrive too late.

[paulmat]

Well, thankfully Sheffield is generally quite safe *touches wood*. I never really see any fights or anything (obviously they do happen in places). I think the worst i've seen was two guys trying to fight while both were to drunk to throw a punch properly.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by gothicform

unfortunately this is fairly common with people fighting on a friday night, the elton john song "saturday night is alright for fighting" is actually written about lincoln's nightlife... the lyricist is a local. ive seen plenty of brawling in the streets, often with the police standing back and watching, ive never ever seen the police intervene during a fight and seperate people nor have i ever seen the police manage to catch a group of people who beat up someone. they always arrive too late.

Aside from the risk of Elton John hitting a visitor, with a piece of period French furmiture, this raises a serious point. I grew up in Cheltenham which, despite it's genteel image, had a surprisingly vicious yobbo pub scene. I got the crap beaten out of me on one occasion and attacked by a bunch of kids on another. In all the ten years I lived in London nothing happened, nor when I lived in Manhattan. I get the impression that England's provincial medium sized towns contain at least as big a proportion of late night drunken brawling as any major city.

[Noostairz]

^ definitely felt more intimidated in wigan than london, but then again i am just a soft southern fairy.

talking of crime, there've been a couple of break-ins around here. bought myself some serious security devices. takes about ten minutes to open the front door now, so that'll be good if there's a fire.

[Downfallen]

By far the best soloution is to walk /run away at the earliest opportunity if you can....idiots usually only prolong an engagement when they have 'lost face' or when they are part of a group they want to impress.
Negate the reward they are likley to get from both of the above...and they usually will stop. Be the bigger man by moving away from the situation whenever you possibly have the chance.

If the situation persists...in my opinion...the worst message you can send is one of doubt or fear.
Hit the loudest one as hard as you can straight in the nose using your fist, elbow or head....and using whatever elements of surprise you have.
Dont delay..dont be scared...and if they dont fall down straight away...follow a nose punch with a punch or kick straight to the groin.....good strong contact on either of these places will bring even the biggest man down.....everytime.

If you are confident whilst doing this.....his 'mates' wont follow on you unless you continue with the situation or actively engage them.

Dont let yourself be a victim.

[gothicform]

unfortunately the law looks badly on hitting someone first. you can only do it in self defence, by which time its too late.