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Old December 17th, 2007, 03:01 AM   #21
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The city will permit a private developer to build a soaring residential tower on a low-rise, under-utilized city-owned site in Midtown in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars that will be used to build at least two new city schools.




Incredible. New York City does it once again!
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Old December 17th, 2007, 02:56 PM   #22
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Wow, an amazing design!
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Old December 17th, 2007, 03:25 PM   #23
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i cant understand what is actually going on in NYC the city gets more and īmore amazing towers.........it will beat all skylines in the future.......
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Old December 17th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #24
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i cant understand what is actually going on in NYC the city gets more and īmore amazing towers.........it will beat all skylines in the future.......
Its already beats all
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Old December 17th, 2007, 04:36 PM   #25
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While i'm excited about this proposal, i can't quite figure out the physics of the top. How does the tower nearly taper to a point and then extend back out again?
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Old December 17th, 2007, 08:00 PM   #26
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The floor plan of the floor where it tapers to its max may be in the shape of an isosceles triangle and the angle in which we see it makes it look as if the entire building tapers to nothing and then increases in size again as it rises. Maybe it's in the shape of a deformed hexagonal antiprism or something along those lines.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 08:43 PM   #27
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A very interesting proposal for NYC. I would like to see more renders.
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Old December 18th, 2007, 09:46 PM   #28
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I'd need to see another angle to get a good idea of how it looks. But so far I like it.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 12:39 AM   #29
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the tower becomes very thin near the top
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Old December 19th, 2007, 07:53 AM   #30
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i wonder how thin it is at the top?

it looks unrealistically thin.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 10:19 AM   #31
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That design of Foster looks like the Casino in Ocean's Thirteen!
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Old December 19th, 2007, 02:29 PM   #32
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i cant understand what is actually going on in NYC the city gets more and īmore amazing towers.........it will beat all skylines in the future.......

Time to change your signature then I guess...
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Old December 20th, 2007, 12:08 AM   #33
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It's New York. After the way the City has butchered/delayed/not built the WTC, Beekman Towers and Calatrava building....I'll believe it when I see it. Chicago has a much better record of designing, approving and then actually building imaginative towers.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 06:36 AM   #34
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Wow that first post will win friends. Weird design, I thought Foster right away. Sometimes I think SOM is just doing variations on others work.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 09:08 AM   #35
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It's New York. After the way the City has butchered/delayed/not built the WTC, Beekman Towers and Calatrava building....I'll believe it when I see it. Chicago has a much better record of designing, approving and then actually building imaginative towers.
You clearly are very misinformed because 80 South Street is still alive, the Beekman Tower (8 Spruce Street) is currently rising (tower cranes were just erected and there may be a height increase to over 900 feet tall), and the WTC project and area around it is booming; construction on Towers 3 and 4 starts in two weeks and Tower 2 and the 70-plus-story 99 Church Street start up in spring. The foundations for 123 Washington street, a 54-floor hotel skyscraper next to Tower 5, were completed this week and the PATH relocation and foundations for FT are completed and the core and building itself is rising as the GS HQ Tower next to it and eight other skyscrapers in the area rise; alas for lower Manhattan lovers, skyscraper activity in midtown Manhattan is literally five or six-fold more than that of Downtown NY and an even larger skyscraper project than the WTC will start up there soon, along with dozens of other skyscrapers and a plethora of supertalls too. The only major disappointment in NY was how NIMBYs raped the Con-Ed site and reduced several amazing supertalls to buildings under 600', and perhaps how the NYSE Tower and another WTB was never built.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 09:41 PM   #36
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Well I suspected my first post would ruffle a few feathers. I'll admit up front that I could have phrased it much more diplomatically and I apologize for that. But let's look at it systematically and rationally. I mentioned three example of buildings/building complexes that had been butchered, delayed or not built. Ebola, you say I am "badly misinformed". Let's see:

1. 80 South Street hasn't been delayed? The project was announced in March 2004 and developer Frank J. Sciame said it would be completed by "2006 or 2007". In 10 days it will be 2008 and the project hasn't even started. As recently as two months ago (Oct. 22) Calatrava was quoted as stating "wistfully" that "I HOPE it will be built". Not exactly a ringing vote of confidence. If you are aware of a new scheduled start and completion date, please share it. Calatrava is a brilliant architect (and my personal favourite) and the design is brilliant and a significant coneptual advancement on Malmo. I will be the first to salute it as a brilliant addition to the N.Y skyline -- if I should live so long.

2. Beekman Tower hasn't been delayed? Excavation began more than two years ago (October 2006) and what is there to show for it? Gehry and Ratner haven't even released a final design for ithe building. Here's a quote from last week's Wired which I found to be of interest "the very elaborate facade....is causing construction delays". So one wonders what those cranes will be doing when no design has beem approved and the facade is causing delays, but again, if you know, please share it.

3. The WTC hasn't been delayed and butchered? On the "delayed" point I'm not even going to bother arguing that. As for butchered? The original Libeskind design was infinitely superior to the current one. The current Freedom Tower looks like an upside down shawarma. Foster's Tower is not imaginative as some of his other works like the Gherkin in London, the Reichstag in Berlin, or the towers in Astana and Moscow. It's not even original -- there's one just like it near Millenium Park in Chicago. Rogers' building is good, Rogers is a great architect and all his buildings are good, but this one isn't radically different from his tower on Wood St. in London, and nowhere near as creative as his "Cheese Grater" now under construction in London, his condo/theatre complex in Berlin or his hotel with a "flying saucer" on top in Barcelona. I will be the first to admit that even "run of the mill" Foster and Rogers is better than most architects on their best day, but clearly neither of these guys put out for something special or unique for the WTC. As for WTC 4 it's just an ordinary modernist glass box, and givin the historical and architectural significance of this site, quite banal. I appreciate that architectural appreciation can be quite subjective, many see the planned WTC as beautiful and others as quite ordinary (or worse). I'm in the latter camp.

4. You mention that the foundation for 123 washington is complete. Yes, but Robert Stern was just selected as the architect for the building in October, and I note this comment on the Wired Forum on November 13, "This one seems to be jinxed. First, it's the older building next door that caused a delay. Then it was the whole fire/FDNY mess over at the Deutsche Bank. Was supposed to completed in 2008. Now, it'll be lucky to even get above ground by then."

Please don't get me wrong. I love New York architecture. I think the building design that started this thread is terrific. Even if, as some have noted, it is somewhat derrivative of Foster, it is still great. I think the proposed Nouvel building is even better. May they both come to pass, and soon. But given the history of the buildings that I have mentioned, and others I could cite, I think a little healthy cynicism about their chances of being built, and their chances of being as good as the renderings, is definitelyin order.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 10:06 PM   #37
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nvm

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Old December 20th, 2007, 10:38 PM   #38
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Please, we're here to talk about 56th & 2nd, not these other projects.
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 12:02 PM   #39
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Max, that's prehaps the most fruitless post I've read because it's packed with opinion and information I'm aware of. Delays, redesigns, problems to conquer, they are not always bad things, and even so I'm sure a lot of other cities see it more often. You'd be able to do what you did for any place; you'd also be able to bring up the question if whether or not a proposed skyscraper in any other city in the world has a moderate chance that it will not be built. But quite frankly, this is not Korea. I suggest you also go to the Freedom Tower thread and whine about the 'lack of progress.'


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Old December 23rd, 2007, 08:54 PM   #40
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Very cool design.
I like it.
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