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Old December 24th, 2007, 06:39 AM   #41
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Ebola, I agree that most large cities experience delays and re-designs in getting their bigger projects done. Certainly, London England is probably the worst in that regard. I'm not sure that I would agree that redesigns are often for the better. Usually the first rendering is the most pure version of the architect's vision and what follows is what is forced onto the architect by the small minds at the municipal planning offices and the greedy minds at the developer's office. I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to argue that the version of the Freedom Tower being built is better than the original that Libeskind designed. To me it still looks like an ugly upside down shawarma. But I go back to my original point that I believe New York has fallen behind Chicago in getting imaginative buildings actually built. If you know better then please educate me. Which current New York Towers are a) as imaginative as the Spire, Trump Tower and Aqua in Chicago and b) are actually currently being built and and at a reasonable pace, i.e. not just a proposal, not stuck somewhere in planning or in some other stage of prolonged delay.
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Old December 24th, 2007, 07:54 AM   #42
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Hey stupid, ever heard of pm's?

What a great building. I actually like it...
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Old December 24th, 2007, 08:20 AM   #43
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Max, that's prehaps the most fruitless post I've read because it's packed with opinion and information I'm aware of..... I suggest you also go to the Freedom Tower thread and whine about the 'lack of progress.'
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Hey stupid, ever heard of pm's?

" Will You stop being Rude? It's alright to disagree with Someone's opinion, without resorting to personal attacks! " Max's opinion is NO LESS valuable than Anyone else's.
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Old December 24th, 2007, 08:27 AM   #44
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His opinion on what? Did he even give an opinion on the builiding? He's just here to bash and that's that...
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Old December 24th, 2007, 09:47 AM   #45
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His opinion on what? Did he even give an opinion on the builiding? He's just here to bash and that's that...
" No, It's not! " Would It have mattered, to You, If He had? Each of You has stated His position for THAT which You have. Must this be an " All or Nothing " discussion? So what if not EVERYONE, on This forum, won't agree with or like the same building(s) as Others! Just because We may dislike a project, doesn't mean We're " stupid " !

Can We, at least, pretend to be civil to Each other? Too, often, I'm reading nasty replies by CERTAIN forum members about Other's character and opinions. We can disagree, about Anything, WITHOUT being rude!


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Old December 24th, 2007, 09:41 PM   #46
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Well anyways. I think this building is really interesting. but my question is about the top. I still havent seen a render from the side so I am wondering how think that very narrow part is. Obviously it has to be thick enough for elevators and things such as that but even if it was able to accomodate that and more...I just dont understand how it will be stable.
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Old December 25th, 2007, 12:50 AM   #47
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Thank you kindly, Beware. The fresh winds of civility are always appreciated. Love and joy unto all of you. May the New Year bring with it the supertall of your dreams. Peace out.
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Old December 25th, 2007, 01:03 AM   #48
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It will: 3WTC, greatest skyscraper. Any better way to start the new year? I think not. I have no idea when this will rise, but I think the schools are u/c.
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Old December 25th, 2007, 05:52 AM   #49
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Thank you kindly, Beware. The fresh winds of civility are always appreciated. Love and joy unto all of you. May the New Year bring with it the supertall of your dreams. Peace out.
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Old December 27th, 2007, 03:57 AM   #50
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This is a work of art! NYC please build this building!!!
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Old May 23rd, 2008, 06:31 AM   #51
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I have no idea what's going on with this baby now. Let's let it sleep for a little longer.
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Old May 23rd, 2008, 12:47 PM   #52
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this design is really great, hope we'll get some good news soon
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Old June 21st, 2008, 04:49 PM   #53
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and almost one month later we've the good news :

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/manhat...veloper/80306/

Manhattan To Get New Schools As City, Developer Reach Deal

By PETER KIEFER
June 19, 2008


Negotiators for the city have reached a multibillion-dollar agreement with a developer to build two new schools in Manhattan and a 59-story mixed-use tower at 250 E. 57th St.

Lawyers for the New York City Educational Construction Fund announced yesterday that they had closed on the first phase of financing for the World Wide Group to construct a new elementary school and a new high school that would replace the High School for Art and Design. In return, the World Wide Group has secured a 75-year lease from the city for a 1.5-acre site at East 57th Street and Second Avenue, where it plans to construct 200,000 square feet of retail space and 488,000 square feet of residential space. The developer plans to build 300 residential units, an unspecified number of which will be dedicated to "affordable" housing.

This type of deal, which allows for the creation of new schools at no cost to taxpayers, was more common in the 1970s, and is being revived by the Bloomberg administration. It calls for lease payments to be used for similar public school projects and, in total, the New York City Educational Construction Fund estimates the agreement has a capital value in excess of $4.2 billion.

The developer will add 40% more space to the High School for Art and Design, along with an art gallery and other upgrades. The new elementary school will be built on the site where P.S. 59 exists.

World Wide Group has built about 1,350 residential apartments in Manhattan, and was a partner in the development of the mixed-use Worldwide Plaza on West 50th Street.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 06:38 AM   #54
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Wonderful news !!! I like the design.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 06:46 AM   #55
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Old September 4th, 2008, 07:39 AM   #56
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NICE! like the facade and the shape of the tower..looks very dominant
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Old September 4th, 2008, 08:16 AM   #57
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It looks unusual.

I like the revised design very much.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 09:49 AM   #58
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Very attractive. but looks so fragile.
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Old September 4th, 2008, 06:30 PM   #59
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Looks cool, another skinny tower for NY!!!

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Old September 4th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #60
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good redesign, hope they'll build it
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