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Old January 2nd, 2017, 12:01 AM   #1981
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I really do not remember... I thought it was "yield to right" but as said, only seen one in life (in roads)

When I crossed, no traffic ahead, neither in any other road
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 12:33 PM   #1982
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That sign is not very common in Slovakia, though they exist. The exact meaning is "to warn driver driving on previously main road to expect intersection without given priority". Such cases are rare, so residential streets usually remain unmarked. But there are some new blocks with "no-priority zone" sign.

The case when minor road is marked and main remains without priority and you just evaluate the priority according to the shape on the minor road are rare. It occurs only on motorways when no main road is marked

As for the shape of priority signs. The unique shape has yield sign, stop sign (the octagon replaced previous round shaped sign), main road, but also railway-cross(es). I think that my country, along with France, is the only to breach this rule as we have drawn the crosses on basic rounded rectangular sign.


Old Stop sign



acceptable railway-cross


wrong one - unrecognisable from the back
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 02:04 PM   #1983
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Why would you need to recognize the railroad sign from the back?
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 02:15 PM   #1984
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For example in dense fog? Or the one that is facing you is missing, etc.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 03:02 PM   #1985
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In Finland, yes, in many places. Of course with a yellow background.

Some roads have priority over others, as you surely know. Sometimes you may think that you actually are on such a road, even if you aren't. This is when this sign may be needed.
In addition, this sign is mandatory in Finland in built-up areas when the speed limit is 50 or higher, and none of the roads are marked a priority-one.

Based on my feelings, I think such arrangements are quite rare nowadays.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 03:38 PM   #1986
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Normally, a sign painted on white rectangular background means "zone". So the literal meaning of your "wrong" marking of level crossings is "zone of level crossings"

In Poland they have always had a form of a cross, never been painted on a background.

By the way - there is also a warning level crossing sign (the version for the crossing without barriers):



Most of the countries have a steam locomotive on it. Germany is one of the few exceptions, with a modern train on this sign:



In Poland, the version of this sign for a crossing with barriers looks so:



It is also interesting, that the cross-shaped level crossing sign:



is used in Germany not only at railway crossings, but also at tram crossings. And is is installed not only horizontally, but sometimes also vertically:



And, in addition, it may have the information about overhead lines included in it.

In Poland we have a separate sign (in form of a cross) for trains:



or for more than one track:



a separate one informing about overhead lines at the railway crossing (almost identical with the warning sign using on electrical infrastructure - but here it's a road sign):



and a separate sign warning against a tram crossing:


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Old January 2nd, 2017, 03:49 PM   #1987
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Who has most corners?

The Vienna Convention introduces the traffic Sign A, 28b, railway level crossing, multiple tracks:



This is the sign having the highest number of corners, 24, among those ones agreed at the Convention

However, Austria has decided to keep their individual variant with 40 corners:



Are there traffic signs with more than 40 corners somewhere?
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 04:04 PM   #1988
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In Poland, 24 seems to be the highest number of corners too.

Unless you count horizontal road signs, a single dashed line dividing the lanes may have hundreds or thousands of corners
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 04:06 PM   #1989
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As for the shape of priority signs. The unique shape has yield sign, stop sign (the octagon replaced previous round shaped sign), main road, but also railway-cross(es). I think that my country, along with France, is the only to breach this rule as we have drawn the crosses on basic rounded rectangular sign.
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https://www.google.hr/maps/@46.13100...7i13312!8i6656
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 04:14 PM   #1990
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No STOP sign?
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 04:42 PM   #1991
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No STOP sign?
no, it is often not obligatory if there are lights or barriers. the same is in Croatia, Italy, France, Hungary...

Slovenia might even have the national rule of obligatory stopping becore railway crossing because I have found crossings secured only with Andrew's cross, without lights, barriers, or Stop.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 05:04 PM   #1992
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No STOP sign?
Why? If there is a good visibility?

https://goo.gl/maps/DTQi1zLcyL72
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:05 PM   #1993
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In Poland we have the STOP signs almost always at the crossings without lights and without barriers.

And sometimes even when there are lights and/or barriers.

There are lights and there is a STOP: https://goo.gl/maps/rzcZmAfNCG42

There are lights, barriers and STOP: https://goo.gl/maps/yD3sMZEpKDE2

The STOP is because the lights and barriers can either fail, or, if they are manually operated, the person responsible for them may fail.

Or here: https://goo.gl/maps/ve71rH9SXWk

With an interesting old sign with a text: "Attention! Unguarded crossing!".

Here there is a guarded crossing without a STOP: https://goo.gl/maps/E2tWocHqH8L2

But most of them have a STOP sign.

Here the visibility is not that good and there is no STOP sign: https://goo.gl/maps/AxYbzxTgPQM2

It looks as if those STOP signs at level crossings were placed randomly.

By the way, in Poland, at unguarded crossings, even if there is no STOP sign, the St. Andrew cross obliges you to stop (and it determines the place where you should stop).
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:24 PM   #1994
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The STOP is because the lights and barriers can either fail, or, if they are manually operated, the person responsible for them may fail.
the lights should have special signal if they fail to work properly. usually it is that yellow control light (when it is off, then lights don't work) like in Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Scandinavia, Belgium. here in Croatia if lights have failure, only one red light is blinking. in some coutnries barriers fall to half if there is failure (Russia).
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:39 PM   #1995
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Wanted to show you guys a crossing in Estonia and stumbeled upon such a solution when the lights are not working
https://www.google.ee/maps/@58.77842...7i13312!8i6656

Here's a random small crossing with pretty good visibility but still with stop sign:
https://www.google.ee/maps/@58.75807...7i13312!8i6656

Crossing with lights in the middle of nowhere and signs warning of railway crossing visible on the right side of the road:
https://www.google.ee/maps/@57.84422...7i13312!8i6656
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Wanted to show you guys a crossing in Estonia and stumbeled upon such a solution when the lights are not working
https://www.google.ee/maps/@58.77842...7i13312!8i6656
In this case the lights were most likely intentionally turned off since the line was being reconstructed and was closed for regular trains. To prevent construction vehicles or trains producing false alarms the lights were turned off and replaced with a stop sign. Alternatively, the lights were so new that they hadn't been set up yet.

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Crossing with lights in the middle of nowhere and signs warning of railway crossing visible on the right side of the road:
https://www.google.ee/maps/@57.84422...7i13312!8i6656
These are the old Soviet style lights which have all been changed by now, AFAIK.
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The problem is that this system may also fail and give wrong indication.

It could be even not a green light, but a yellow blinking light - so that the driver will anyway ensure that there is no train approaching (instead of assuming that there will be no train since there is a green light).

But in Germany they also do not have this.

In Poland the indication that the lights/barriers are faulty is a sign placed at the crossing by a railway employee. But there is the time after the system fails and before the employee manages to place the sign - and it's dangerous. Especially at the automatic crossings.

I have read once about a case on one railway line, in which the train wasn't detected by the system and the lights at the crossings weren't activated because the train was too lightweight.

Although the danger is not so high, because at the newly installed systems of lights at level crossings, there are also lights for the train driver, indicating if the train was detected or not (the default state is train not detected) and if the train is not detected, or the lights do not work at all, the train driver is obliged to slow down to 20 km/h and use the horn signal.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 07:23 PM   #1998
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Should not we create a new thread called ' Railway crossings'? It is interesting and exhausting topic.
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Crossing with lights in the middle of nowhere and signs warning of railway crossing visible on the right side of the road:
https://www.google.ee/maps/@57.84422...7i13312!8i6656
we have such cases here in HR too. for instance here:
https://www.google.ee/maps/@45.92270...7i13312!8i6656

or dirt road with light signals
https://www.google.ee/maps/@45.32036...7i13312!8i6656
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 09:43 PM   #2000
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I don't remember well, I cannot find it any more, but I believe I have seen a photo of a crossing of a cross-country skiing trail with a railway line. And it was guarded by lights. If I am not mistaken.

It had to be in the Jakuszyce area near Szklarska Poręba in Poland.

But the crossings in the middle of nowhere usually have no lights.

An interesting example is here: https://goo.gl/maps/7YN1mkRdKYJ2

Unused old narrow-gauge line and a crossing with not only lights, but also barriers. The road was built when there was no more traffic on the railway line, but there were (and still are) hopes to restore it.

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Should not we create a new thread called ' Railway crossings'? It is interesting and exhausting topic.
Doesn't such a thread already exist?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=674112

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