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Old November 6th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #801
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we have still got no answer: now do they check wether a person is a Muslim or not? do they have some Muslim ID cards?
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Old November 6th, 2011, 02:17 PM   #802
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You will be required to state your religion when you apply for your visa. Once you get in, you will have to get a residency permit (an "iqama"), which will contain, among other information, the religion that you picked on your visa application.

If the subtext of your question is that non-Muslims can enter Mecca if they really want to, then yes, many non-Muslims have "snuck into" Mecca over the past 1400 years, and continue to do so.
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You have to prove you are muslim way before receiving an entry visa for Saudi (i.e. Omara/Hajj). Religion status are on some peoples legal documents when they enter provided from their country. If you come from a non-muslim country you will be asked to provide paper work from your local mosque vouching you are a practicing muslim, where your mosque imam will have to sign.

Also, when entering the border of Makkah city you stop at a check point where you are documented and your papers checked.
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yes there are papers and documents..
and normally if you come from a predominantly muslim country and want to enter Mecca, the country has to approve a the app to get a visa and they'll know...
I know as americans.. you have to have a paper from a reputable masjid showing you have become or are a muslim, then this paper has to be notorized by the city, state and by washington and the American muslim association..
If you are not a muslim and you just want to enter Mecca.. your actions will show.. cause muslims are there to do their religious rites, not act like oogling tourists to take snapshots of everything.. and stare.. You will be expected to act like the other muslims.. and if you dont know, you better be an awful good actor. cause you will be looked at and if you dont seem to be the real deal, you will be stopped by the religious police and questioned further..
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Well, the Iqama and passport defines you as a muslim. For Haj for sure there is lot of checking and permits required to enter. So to enter the city of mecca they check the permit.

but then again, I then again because of the sheer number of people, i don't think its possible to check everyone.

But then again, if you are a muslim you will need to perform certain things, and there is lot of security personnel around who would notice if you do not follow the normal procedures.

If you get caught..well.. that'sanother story.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 03:14 PM   #803
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If you get caught..well.. that'sanother story.
Long term prison? Whipping on your back? I would never imagine what means getting into troubles in a so antidemocratic country.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 03:47 PM   #804
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Long term prison? Whipping on your back? I would never imagine what means getting into troubles in a so antidemocratic country.
The prohibition on non-Muslims entering really doesn't bother me: I'm an open-minded enough western person ;-) to accept that a religion is going to have certain rituals, and spaces associated with them, that are only open to members. It's unusual in this instance that the closed space is a whole city, but on the other hand, if the "ritual" is a pilgrimage participated in by millions of people.... I was once in the Notre-Dame basilica in Montreal and saw a group of Japanese tourists step inside the altar rail to take pictures of each other. I was shocked, and came very close to approaching them and asking them to move. Not because they were Japanese but because treating that space as just a nice place to take pictures is inappropriate. (And a respectful tourist will understand that sort of thing.)

So I wouldn't just say "but that's discrimination pure and simple," because it's really not about that.

On the post above, on the other hand, you're right.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #805
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we have still got no answer: now do they check wether a person is a Muslim or not? do they have some Muslim ID cards?
The fisrt name is enough.

Michael, John, David... = non muslims
Hicham, Mohamed, Karim... = muslims
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Old November 6th, 2011, 07:32 PM   #806
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There are Muslims with non-"Muslim sounding names", like Lucy Raham
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Old November 6th, 2011, 08:05 PM   #807
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The prohibition on non-Muslims entering really doesn't bother me: I'm an open-minded enough western person ;-) to accept that a religion is going to have certain rituals, and spaces associated with them, that are only open to members. It's unusual in this instance that the closed space is a whole city, but on the other hand, if the "ritual" is a pilgrimage participated in by millions of people.... I was once in the Notre-Dame basilica in Montreal and saw a group of Japanese tourists step inside the altar rail to take pictures of each other. I was shocked, and came very close to approaching them and asking them to move. Not because they were Japanese but because treating that space as just a nice place to take pictures is inappropriate. (And a respectful tourist will understand that sort of thing.)

So I wouldn't just say "but that's discrimination pure and simple," because it's really not about that.

On the post above, on the other hand, you're right.
Yeah, those Japanese tourists were very rude and ignorant. When you came to a foreign country you must respect their rules. If I will visit a mosque, a synagogue or a temple of some Asian religion certainly I would respect their rules even if I don't believe in that religion.
So, I can accept that non-Muslims can't take part to official pilgrimages, religious events or access some holy sites, but be denied to entry in a whole city is absurd, IMHO. If Saudi Arabia will became democratic, and will get free elections, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality between genders, legal homosexuality and alchool, also non-Muslim tourists will became allowed to sightseeing in Mecca and Medina. That's because religious-related discriminations aren't compatible with a democracy. This restriction is centuries old? Doesn't matter, in Europe the Church burned eretics for centuries but now...
Off course tourists visiting such holy places must behave in a respectful way towards Islam even if they don't pray Allah and drink beer and eat pork in their countries. But I don't think walking in the streets and watching monuments is unrespectful toward a religion, while step inside a church's altair and take pics like in a pub obviously is.
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Old November 7th, 2011, 12:17 AM   #808
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The fisrt name is enough.

Michael, John, David... = non muslims
Hicham, Mohamed, Karim... = muslims
Wrong. E.g. the leader of Muslim Community in Hungary has a very common Hungarian name.

Some years ago I worked for a statistical company. I had a task of collect Arab citizens from the Stockholm phone register (I had it electronically). You couldn't imagine how many Fatima Andersson, Hassan Isaksson, etc. we had :-)
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Wrong. E.g. the leader of Muslim Community in Hungary has a very common Hungarian name.

Some years ago I worked for a statistical company. I had a task of collect Arab citizens from the Stockholm phone register (I had it electronically). You couldn't imagine how many Fatima Andersson, Hassan Isaksson, etc. we had :-)
It is quite unusual for a Muslim to have a "non Muslim" name though, even if not unheard of in my experience.
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Old November 7th, 2011, 11:59 AM   #810
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It is quite unusual for a Muslim to have a "non Muslim" name though, even if not unheard of in my experience.
Really? Most Muslims know little about old Islamic communities in Europe...



More about Lipka Tatars in Poland/Belarus/Lithuania.
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Old November 7th, 2011, 01:08 PM   #811
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Old November 7th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #812
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BASTARDO (in spanish) = BASTARD
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Old November 7th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #813
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It's in italian too
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Old November 7th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #814
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The 2012 Giro will pass through Bastardo! . But I laugh more at Polla (Obscene Spanish for *****), also in Italy. And with Pölla, Austria.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 12:00 AM   #815
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(…for those who don't speak Spanish…) For me "Controllo Elettronico Velocità - BASTARDO" it's translated as "Control de Velocidad por radar - BASTARDO" and for me it sound like "SLOW DOWN SON OF A BITCH"
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Old November 8th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #816
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Old November 9th, 2011, 01:00 AM   #819
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The spanish part mean: "This Parking its Only for the people who use the cemetery - Not for other uses" = "Zombie park only"
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