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Old October 30th, 2014, 08:14 PM   #1541
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How do you account for that?

Does the road you're on follow the border between the two so you're really entering both, one on the left and one on the right?
Yes, I think so. If you look on the map, Črešnjevec ob Dravi seems to be on the left, and Janževa Gora on the right. But not in this case; according to the map, you drive straight through Spodnja (Lower) Selnica, while Zgornja (Upper) Selnica comes after it on the right side of the road. After these two Selnicas comes Selnica ob Dravi (Selnica-on-Drava).
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Old October 30th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #1542
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here is another example of really weird sign managment in Maribor area (i saw it on many places in north-eastern Slovenia, and not elsewhere). i never understood why they put both signs, when the speed limit sign cancels previous speed limit sign.

https://maps.google.hr/maps?ll=46.37...351.46,,1,3.23
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Old October 30th, 2014, 10:47 PM   #1543
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That's a waste of money and appears all across Slovenia, e.g. in Ljubljana.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 12:00 AM   #1544
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This is the new trend in Slovakia too. Sings manufacturers (related to competent people) need contracts.

Fun fact - a new typeface on signs is being introduced in Slovakia (Tern instead of Universal Grotesk). Few signs were already replaced. But on the new huge intersection with jumbo signs completed last week, they put the old typeface. The replacement of all signs in Bratislava is scheduled to next year... It is not worth a commentary.
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Old November 1st, 2014, 08:06 PM   #1545
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"Zone 30" has its own rules. So it's not the same than just "30".
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Old November 1st, 2014, 08:30 PM   #1546
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Yeah, but if the speed limit is still 30 km/h, it could still be "Zone 30".
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Old November 1st, 2014, 09:47 PM   #1547
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But it's not "Zone 30". It ends there and other rules apply.

"Zone 30" means:
- right of way from the right everywhere (don't know the term in English)
- pedestrians can cross the road everywhere without right of way
- at the end of "Zone 30" applies "Generell 50"
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Old November 1st, 2014, 10:58 PM   #1548
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Interesting. Here "Zone 30" only means... 30 km/h, that's all.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 05:42 PM   #1549
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Interesting. Here "Zone 30" only means... 30 km/h, that's all.
Same here. We seem to have another sign for that zone:
- pedestrians have right of way
- 20km/h limit
- motor may not work longer than 2min when car is parking
- when exiting the zone, driver must give way to everyone
- driver may not drive through the zone (in other words- driver must stop or park in zone)

Though I've seen some funny mistakes:
- 30km/h limit sign is placed inside the zone at the speedbump though limit in the zone is already 20km/h
- Zone is created in front of a school. No one stops there because road is used as a active connecting road.
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 06:02 PM   #1550
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Interesting. Here "Zone 30" only means... 30 km/h, that's all.
Same here. Despite the fact the 30 kph speed limit is valid on the whole zone unless otherwise noted.

Furthermore we had two another types of zones with specific rules:
Pedestrian zone with no enter allowed, no parking allowed, etc. and
Residential zone with 20 kph speed limit, no parking, etc..
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 06:23 PM   #1551
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But it's not "Zone 30". It ends there and other rules apply.

"Zone 30" means:
- right of way from the right everywhere (don't know the term in English)
- pedestrians can cross the road everywhere without right of way
- at the end of "Zone 30" applies "Generell 50"
In Holland, the first 2 apply everywhere, unless signed different. In Zone 30's there shouldn't be any signed junctions, but it isn't a law. Is it a law in Switserland?
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Old November 2nd, 2014, 08:17 PM   #1552
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That's the law:
Just tell me if you can't read German then I will try to translate it. But as a Dutch you may read it...

The important clause that explains Verso's picture:
"Die Übergänge vom übrigen Strassennetz in eine Zone müssen deutlich erkennbar sein. Die Ein- und Ausfahrten der Zone sind durch eine kontrastreiche Gestaltung so zu verdeutlichen, dass die Wirkung eines Tores entsteht."

-> viz. 'The changeover from the rest of the road network must be clearly visible.'

If this part of the road network is a part where you can drive only 30km/h then you get this strange situation on the picture.
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Near my childhood home there is/was a caution sign on one side of a road in a forested area with a pictogram of a child running after a ball. At no time did I see a child playing in the forest, let alone one coming out of the forest kicking a ball. There was also another inexplicable sign nearby warning of seniors crossing the road. I'm not sure why the elderly should be considered a prominent hazard in wooded areas and I never saw anyone wearing a fedora and walking with a cane trying to cross the road as depicted in the sign.
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 02:11 AM   #1554
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Near my childhood home there is/was a caution sign on one side of a road in a forested area with a pictogram of a child running after a ball. At no time did I see a child playing in the forest, let alone one coming out of the forest kicking a ball. There was also another inexplicable sign nearby warning of seniors crossing the road. I'm not sure why the elderly should be considered a prominent hazard in wooded areas and I never saw anyone wearing a fedora and walking with a cane trying to cross the road as depicted in the sign.
Could be meaning hikers?
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Old November 3rd, 2014, 03:48 AM   #1555
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Near my childhood home there is/was a caution sign on one side of a road in a forested area with a pictogram of a child running after a ball. At no time did I see a child playing in the forest, let alone one coming out of the forest kicking a ball. There was also another inexplicable sign nearby warning of seniors crossing the road. I'm not sure why the elderly should be considered a prominent hazard in wooded areas and I never saw anyone wearing a fedora and walking with a cane trying to cross the road as depicted in the sign.
Is there a campground nearby, or lodging? That could explain the signs.
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Old November 5th, 2014, 01:34 AM   #1556
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Not that strange of a sign, but a clear message for bicyclists I spotted in Zurich
(there is an acute-angled (cca. 30° to road axis) railway track crossing there - visible in the background)

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Old November 5th, 2014, 01:49 AM   #1557
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That happened to me once when I was small.
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Old November 5th, 2014, 11:37 AM   #1558
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Actually it is not very dangerous there as the tracks are filled up with kind of a gum:
https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.39298...1QcQ!2e0?hl=en

Here the warning makes more sense:
https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.22656...qJeQ!2e0?hl=en
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Old November 5th, 2014, 12:51 PM   #1559
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In Holland we drive over tram rails all the time, and everybody has been stuck in there once in their lifetime. The tram drivers should look ahead and are able to stop in time. Is this a tram or a train crossing?
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Both are train crossings.
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