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Old June 5th, 2016, 11:26 PM   #1861
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What I liked about the traffic lights in Croatia is that they are repeated behind the intersection, like here: https://goo.gl/maps/BhuRYBrVS6p

Thanks to that, when you want to turn left and you are at the middle of the intersection, waiting for the traffic from the opposite, you still know who has a green light.

And, by the way, the whole city information system (with the names of streets, squares, directions to the objects) in Zagreb is really very well made.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 12:40 AM   #1862
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in Croatia if you have additional green (right) arrow, the worst thing that can happen is collision with pedestrian.
This can't happen in Slovenia either (at least not in Ljubljana), because pedestrians and cyclists have red light.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 12:42 AM   #1863
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would a cyclist actually stop or wait at a red light though?
I'm not sure I've ever seen a cyclist stop at one before
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Old June 6th, 2016, 12:54 AM   #1864
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This can't happen in Slovenia either (at least not in Ljubljana), because pedestrians and cyclists have red light.
even with those additional green arrows?

what i miss in such situations are blinking amber lights with pedestrian pictogram. they have stared to place them in Zagreb, but too few. it is very usefull feature.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 12:59 AM   #1865
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even with those additional green arrows?
Yes. When you get the additional green arrow, pedestrians and cyclists still have red light, so you're completely free to go.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 12:59 AM   #1866
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here is the thing in France that i wrote about - blinking amber instead of green for unprotected turn (ok, this is in Monaco, but I guess they have it in France too)

https://www.google.hr/maps/@43.73983...7i13312!8i6656
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Old June 6th, 2016, 01:04 AM   #1867
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would a cyclist actually stop or wait at a red light though?
I'm not sure I've ever seen a cyclist stop at one before
Cyclists not stopping at a red light? What?

I know that in some countries it's allowed to cross the street at the red light as a pedestrian, of course, giving way to all the cars (and also in the countries where it's illegal, it's nothing weird to do it - at least, if there is no police watching) - but I haven't heard about anything like this for cyclists.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 01:43 AM   #1868
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I know some intersections where there is permanent green light (normal light or additional arrow) for right turn because of heavy traffic from that direction. For example here:

https://goo.gl/maps/Lkn7nxYHSBB2

In this case Mercedes had to stop and let cyclists to cross the street and then turn right:

https://goo.gl/maps/cE3pm82XTh22
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Old June 6th, 2016, 02:05 AM   #1869
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Definitely in Montreal for example, there are a lot of cyclists
but they ignore stop signs entirely and generally the red lights (unless sufficient traffic is on the cross-street that they would surely be run over)

But stop signs you need to be careful as they will just come right at you

Legally of course this isn't allowed but they do it anyway...
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Old June 6th, 2016, 02:38 AM   #1870
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But if the green is permanent - then it must work like in Poland (you have to give way), there is no other possibility.

Interesting about those cyclists in Montreal, in Poland they all would get run over in a short time... But cycling is still not so popular here as a means of transport in cities (although now it's rapidly changing).
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Old June 6th, 2016, 03:46 AM   #1871
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Oh they get run over occasionally, and I kind of want to also, maybe the Pole in me
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Old June 6th, 2016, 07:58 AM   #1872
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Cyclists over here are jackasses. I once nearly killed a woman riding a bike because as I crossed a two-lane, one-way main street, this woman was going full speed the wrong way, at night, with no headlight or reflective objects, and never stopped because I was heading towards her.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 10:12 PM   #1873
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Talking about strange traffic lights- here in Tallinn, Estonia, we have one traffic light for pedestrians right in front of a roundabout. After the pedestrians get red light, the amber starts blinking for cars. This means they can move but need to give way for traffic on the roundabout. Green would mean "free to drive" so they couldn't use it...


And like that wouldn't be enough, there are also tram tracks on the roundabout, so you also need to give way for tram
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Old June 7th, 2016, 04:26 PM   #1874
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I've lurked this forum for a while and only came across this thread today. Haven't gone through it all but wow, some really interesting stuff here. Im gonna have to dig into this place a lot more.
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Old June 11th, 2016, 05:06 PM   #1875
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Old June 12th, 2016, 12:31 PM   #1876
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Cyclists not stopping at a red light? What?
I don't. I do cycle a lot, and I pretend nobody noticed me.

??? I think they used Google.
In Ukraine we don't complicate anything: Церква Св. Трійці is Sviatoyi Triytsi Church. So not to make such BS.
BTW, where did you take the photo?

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Old June 12th, 2016, 07:31 PM   #1877
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Old June 12th, 2016, 09:19 PM   #1878
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Talking about strange traffic lights- here in Tallinn, Estonia, we have one traffic light for pedestrians right in front of a roundabout. After the pedestrians get red light, the amber starts blinking for cars. This means they can move but need to give way for traffic on the roundabout. Green would mean "free to drive" so they couldn't use it...


And like that wouldn't be enough, there are also tram tracks on the roundabout, so you also need to give way for tram
It's almost the same in my hometown. Instead of a single amber light blinking, it's two amber lights (lowermost and middle) blinking alternatively: https://goo.gl/maps/KQhp8mRqGE82

I reckon that this is probably because a single amber light blinking before a zebra crossing, would actually mean that you have to yield to pedestrians.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #1879
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First it seemed like:


But according to Verso's link it seems to be ok translation.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 10:53 AM   #1880
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Cyclists not stopping at a red light? What?

I know that in some countries it's allowed to cross the street at the red light as a pedestrian, of course, giving way to all the cars (and also in the countries where it's illegal, it's nothing weird to do it - at least, if there is no police watching) - but I haven't heard about anything like this for cyclists.
In my homecity we have a lot of traffic lights that, could they remain in orange instead of red for bikes, they will.

First one was set here (and it can be seen but it is off)

https://www.google.es/maps/@41.64275...7i13312!8i6656


As you can see, cars may yield to pedestrians when red and to cars coming from right side in the cross..... but bikes only to pedestrians, never for cars in that point.

Therefore, when traffic lights are green, also for bikes and when they are red for cars, they will be orange for bikes. This is, priority for pedestrians and it works as a zebra crossing but no need to stop if there is nobody crossing the street.

That was the first one, they kept pointing more everywhere when possible (no interferences with cars, just yield pass to pedestrians) and bike traffic is a little easier
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