Does Chicago have any areas with Manhattan type density? - Page 7

prelude91 · December 21st, 2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by i_am_hydrogen

Uptown Manhattan alone is difficult to contend with (Midtown + Upper East Side):

This picture goes to show that Manhattan density is on another level from downtown Chicago

prelude91 · December 21st, 2007, 01:35 PM

Here are three ariel shots comparing Midtown and Downtown to Loop and surrounding areas

cbotnyse · December 21st, 2007, 01:40 PM

Nothing compares to all of Manhattan, which is what you seem to keep saying. But the Loop and Midtown have comparable densities, for example.

prelude91 · December 21st, 2007, 01:57 PM

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/printt...8760&pp=25

Found this in the SSC archives (I think), and it talks about Midtown and Downtown Manhattans daytime Population density:

Midtown: 240,729/km² (623,486/mi²)
Lower Manhattan: 235,918/km² (611,025/mi²)

I don't know if these numbers include people who live in the area, they just might be for commuters. Not 100% sure, interesting none the less.

asauterChicago · December 21st, 2007, 06:07 PM

Why are people still arguing about this? I love Chicago more than any other city, but we're not Manhattan. We don't have the density of Manhattan, we probably never will.
Regardless, I don't want to be Manhattan. Manhattan is tiring, constantly crowded, just walking down the side walk is a freaking pain in the ass, eating at a restaurant is a pain in the ass (especially around lunch time Downtown). Sure there's a lot of high rises, but you can't really even see the architecture because everything is so slammed together (Even the Empire States building is very hard to see from ground level). Everything is so non-stop all the time.
Chicago is a good mix. We have some very high population dense areas, but it's not Manhattan overwhelming. Our architecture is beautiful, and besides some surface lots around downtown, we have an excellent mix of Urban and Natural environments. If we can fill those surface lots we are definitely one up on Manhattan in terms of Urban beauty. Our architecture is awesome, our city is clean, with space to breath. We're the Paris of US. I'm happy with that.

prelude91 · December 21st, 2007, 06:10 PM

You are correct. The point I was trying to prove is that Chicago DOES NOT have Manhattan type density. Im not saying Chicago is a lesser city because of that fact. It is what it is

robituss · December 21st, 2007, 06:27 PM

^Yeah, its pretty clear downtown chicago aint on the manhattan density level. But people should also keep in mind that ultimate density isnt always the best condition, - eg kowloon or as asuter prefers, manhattan even. Chicago strikes a decent balance i think.

I wouldnt mind chicago becoming a little denser though, and as mentioned earlier, having additional transit like the circle line added. The more residents living in the downtown area and filling in the surrounding neighborhoods, the better. At least for the foreseeable future. Id like to see river north, west loop and south loop fill up and match the density in, say gold coast or lakeview at least. So I like the trend thats going on right now, and hope, despite the slow-down, that itll continue for a while.

prelude91 · December 21st, 2007, 06:41 PM

I agree. Some more density would be nice in areas like River North, South Loop, etc...We are more likely to see built environment density as opposed to population density though.
I don't understand why some people feel the need to try and prove Chicago has portions of Manhattan like density, when it clearly does not. Is there a mind set that if Chicago cant match the Urban Streetscape of Manhattan we are a lesser city?

cbotnyse · December 21st, 2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by prelude91

I agree. Some more density would be nice in areas like River North, South Loop, etc...We are more likely to see built environment density as opposed to population density though.
I don't understand why some people feel the need to try and prove Chicago has portions of Manhattan like density, when it clearly does not. Is there a mind set that if Chicago cant match the Urban Streetscape of Manhattan we are a lesser city?

I was trying to show that Chicago does have built up density like some areas of Manhattan, but clearly not all of Manhattan. No city in North America can compare to Mahattan as a whole. (in built up or population)

Also, I do enjoy the comparison, because NY is the benchmark for urban density, and I like to see how Chicago and other cities compare.

cubsfan · December 21st, 2007, 11:23 PM

Why doesn't Chicago just go crazy like Dubai and surpass New York? Everybody wants to build here and we definitely have the space... BTW, when I say "like" Dubai, I don't mean those awful fantasy towers, I just mean quanity of buildings under construction.

Chicagostyle · December 22nd, 2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TEN-A-KEY

If so,what are the stats.

Another one of you guys, Huh!

prelude91 · December 22nd, 2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cubsfan

Why doesn't Chicago just go crazy like Dubai and surpass New York? Everybody wants to build here and we definitely have the space... BTW, when I say "like" Dubai, I don't mean those awful fantasy towers, I just mean quanity of buildings under construction.

ARe you serious?

NearNorthGuy · December 22nd, 2007, 02:16 AM

I think of New York as something we should be proud of as Americans. New York has been built BY the nation and FOR the nation. The buisiness dealings, manufacturing and agriculture across this country fueled the growth of Manhattan. We all have played a role in it. I feel proud of it. The credit goes to every state in the union.

By the way, I lived there for five years, on a block that is on the left side of that density-filled view of Manhattan shown above (the view looking to the south from above the East River).

Sure, the pride in Chicago is stronger, since we feel it as a Chicagoans being proud of our own town. Yes, there is only one New York. And yes, there is only one Chicago, and we should feel lucky to benefit from that every time we walk out our doors or look out our windows.

We can proud of New York, as Americans. We can be proud of Chicago, as Chicagoans!

cubsfan · December 22nd, 2007, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by prelude91

ARe you serious?

Yes.... Why?

edsg25 · December 22nd, 2007, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NearNorthGuy

I think of New York as something we should be proud of as Americans. New York has been built BY the nation and FOR the nation. The buisiness dealings, manufacturing and agriculture across this country fueled the growth of Manhattan. We all have played a role in it. I feel proud of it. The credit goes to every state in the union.

By the way, I lived there for five years, on a block that is on the left side of that density-filled view of Manhattan shown above (the view looking to the south from above the East River).

Sure, the pride in Chicago is stronger, since we feel it as a Chicagoans being proud of our own town. Yes, there is only one New York. And yes, there is only one Chicago, and we should feel lucky to benefit from that every time we walk out our doors or look out our windows.

We can proud of New York, as Americans. We can be proud of Chicago, as Chicagoans!

As Americans, I have to feel that New Yorkers have every reason to be proud of Chicago as Chicagoans have to be proud of New York.

robituss · December 22nd, 2007, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cubsfan

Yes.... Why?

Hate to burst your bubble, but that isnt ever going to happen. The building construction here is market driven, in Dubai it isnt - its fueled by speculation and artificial factors like local government intervention and oil money. The demand to fill the whole city with highrises isnt there, and it never will be. Id suggest just being satisfied with the tremendous boom thats been going on for the last 9 years or so, and will continue for another couple.

Oh, the Olympics could help the south side get in on it too - thats if were lucky enough to get em.

cubsfan · December 22nd, 2007, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by robituss

Id suggest just being satisfied with the tremendous boom thats been going on for the last 9 years or so, and will continue for another couple.

I'm very satasfied, but I'm saying can't the city step in and ensure that certain projects come to fruition, i.e. 7 South Dearborn, Wolf Point & so-forth... In Dubai those buildings would have been built. Chicago could have had a 2,000 footer 4 years ago, also, didn't the city help finance block 37?

prelude91 · December 22nd, 2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cubsfan

I'm very satasfied, but I'm saying can't the city step in and ensure that certain projects come to fruition, i.e. 7 South Dearborn, Wolf Point & so-forth... In Dubai those buildings would have been built. Chicago could have had a 2,000 footer 4 years ago, also, didn't the city help finance block 37?

well ultimatley people/companies have to PAY to live/rent in those places. Unless you found a money tree. Did you find a money tree your not telling anybody about?!

cubsfan · December 22nd, 2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by prelude91

well ultimatley people/companies have to PAY to live/rent in those places. Unless you found a money tree. Did you find a money tree your not telling anybody about?!

Maybe...

Ch.G, Ch.G · December 22nd, 2007, 06:12 AM

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December 21st, 2007, 01:40 PM	#123
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December 21st, 2007, 01:35 PM	#122
prelude91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago...Soon to be Washington D.C. Posts: 1,253 Likes (Received): 0	Here are three ariel shots comparing Midtown and Downtown to Loop and surrounding areas

December 21st, 2007, 01:57 PM	#124
prelude91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago...Soon to be Washington D.C. Posts: 1,253 Likes (Received): 0	http://www.skyscrapercity.com/printt...8760&pp=25 Found this in the SSC archives (I think), and it talks about Midtown and Downtown Manhattans daytime Population density: Midtown: 240,729/km² (623,486/mi²) Lower Manhattan: 235,918/km² (611,025/mi²) I don't know if these numbers include people who live in the area, they just might be for commuters. Not 100% sure, interesting none the less.

December 21st, 2007, 06:07 PM	#125
asauterChicago Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 194 Likes (Received): 0	Why are people still arguing about this? I love Chicago more than any other city, but we're not Manhattan. We don't have the density of Manhattan, we probably never will. Regardless, I don't want to be Manhattan. Manhattan is tiring, constantly crowded, just walking down the side walk is a freaking pain in the ass, eating at a restaurant is a pain in the ass (especially around lunch time Downtown). Sure there's a lot of high rises, but you can't really even see the architecture because everything is so slammed together (Even the Empire States building is very hard to see from ground level). Everything is so non-stop all the time. Chicago is a good mix. We have some very high population dense areas, but it's not Manhattan overwhelming. Our architecture is beautiful, and besides some surface lots around downtown, we have an excellent mix of Urban and Natural environments. If we can fill those surface lots we are definitely one up on Manhattan in terms of Urban beauty. Our architecture is awesome, our city is clean, with space to breath. We're the Paris of US. I'm happy with that.

December 21st, 2007, 06:10 PM	#126
prelude91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago...Soon to be Washington D.C. Posts: 1,253 Likes (Received): 0	You are correct. The point I was trying to prove is that Chicago DOES NOT have Manhattan type density. Im not saying Chicago is a lesser city because of that fact. It is what it is

December 21st, 2007, 06:27 PM	#127
robituss Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: chi Posts: 272 Likes (Received): 1	^Yeah, its pretty clear downtown chicago aint on the manhattan density level. But people should also keep in mind that ultimate density isnt always the best condition, - eg kowloon or as asuter prefers, manhattan even. Chicago strikes a decent balance i think. I wouldnt mind chicago becoming a little denser though, and as mentioned earlier, having additional transit like the circle line added. The more residents living in the downtown area and filling in the surrounding neighborhoods, the better. At least for the foreseeable future. Id like to see river north, west loop and south loop fill up and match the density in, say gold coast or lakeview at least. So I like the trend thats going on right now, and hope, despite the slow-down, that itll continue for a while.

December 21st, 2007, 06:41 PM	#128
prelude91 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago...Soon to be Washington D.C. Posts: 1,253 Likes (Received): 0	I agree. Some more density would be nice in areas like River North, South Loop, etc...We are more likely to see built environment density as opposed to population density though. I don't understand why some people feel the need to try and prove Chicago has portions of Manhattan like density, when it clearly does not. Is there a mind set that if Chicago cant match the Urban Streetscape of Manhattan we are a lesser city?

December 21st, 2007, 11:23 PM	#130
cubsfan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 147 Likes (Received): 0	Why doesn't Chicago just go crazy like Dubai and surpass New York? Everybody wants to build here and we definitely have the space... BTW, when I say "like" Dubai, I don't mean those awful fantasy towers, I just mean quanity of buildings under construction.

December 22nd, 2007, 02:16 AM	#133
NearNorthGuy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 502 Likes (Received): 0	I think of New York as something we should be proud of as Americans. New York has been built BY the nation and FOR the nation. The buisiness dealings, manufacturing and agriculture across this country fueled the growth of Manhattan. We all have played a role in it. I feel proud of it. The credit goes to every state in the union. By the way, I lived there for five years, on a block that is on the left side of that density-filled view of Manhattan shown above (the view looking to the south from above the East River). Sure, the pride in Chicago is stronger, since we feel it as a Chicagoans being proud of our own town. Yes, there is only one New York. And yes, there is only one Chicago, and we should feel lucky to benefit from that every time we walk out our doors or look out our windows. We can proud of New York, as Americans. We can be proud of Chicago, as Chicagoans!