#PROJECT-Ras Al Khaimah: BLU MIRAGE - Page 4

beer51 · February 4th, 2008, 01:42 PM

Hi Ines

Can you kindly tell us if the Escrow account is up and running with Standard Chartered Bank.

dubai_nomad · February 4th, 2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ines

I have requested the technical information regarding the existing breakwater - which was built by the master developer (RAKEEN) - which I will post on here in due course.

An additional wall will be built, again by the master developer - this is for sure. Work will commence when Blu Mirage is under construction - exactly which stage of construction - to be confirmed. Again, I have requested info and will post accordingly as and when I receive it, which should be soon.

I do not work for the Developer. I visited the plot on a clear sunny day with good weather - and I acknowledge that I am not a meteorological expert.

Thanks

Hi Ines - I'm interested to see how you have found out an additional wall will be built around the island. Where did you get this info from?

This is what I have recieved from the project manager from Rakeen :

Dear Nomad
Al marjan island were designed to the highest standard of protection based on a Mathematical Simulation using the actual wave heights over the last 50 years, these results were converted to a physical model built and the same wind direction and wave heights (LT, HT) were used to get the design parameters and the rock size and weight. The designer Halcrow International have used these results and added a safety margin of 50% that is why the Island looks like a fort. The attached design drawing will defiantly be more useful to you as an investor than talking about it.

Please note that if you have any quires do not hesitate to contact me.

Best regards

Dr. Fawzi Shadid
Infra-structure manager
Project Manager

Im still awaiting information regards to the break water around the blu mirage marina.

Nomad

dubai_nomad · February 5th, 2008, 07:02 AM

Reply from Rakeen regards to the marina break waters - or lack of..

Dear Nomad

I am sorry, in reality I did misunderstood your question. You should have told me about the plot number rather than the name of the development, because once you have got approval on your development design from Rakeen, the file will be transferred to me for comments. Unfortunately, In the design of AL Marjan Islands there is no allowance for marina protection in that part and any extra requirement has to be discussed with the Island designer to find out whether having a marina there is possible or not, on the other hand the developer shall bear the financial implication of such protection cost. I hope I did answer your question, and if you are still in doubt, please contact me again.

I am interested to see what people think of this?

dubai_nomad · February 5th, 2008, 07:11 AM

Looks like the island designer will absorb the cost for the marina. Who is the island designer? And how can they deisgn an island with a marina with no break water?!!

Ines where did you get the info that the break waters will be around the island?

Yousuf27 · February 5th, 2008, 08:41 AM

It makes you wonder if the Marina for BM wil only ever be seen in the artist's impression. Could be expensive to install the necessary protection for a marina and unless the marina is planned to generate a lot of revenue it probably wouldn't be worth the developer's cost.

dubai_nomad · February 5th, 2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yousuf27

It makes you wonder if the Marina for BM wil only ever be seen in the artist's impression. Could be expensive to install the necessary protection for a marina and unless the marina is planned to generate a lot of revenue it probably wouldn't be worth the developer's cost.

Hi Yosuf - I dont know about anyone else but you can't be advertising a marina and not have one or a unfit marina. Im sure the other investors here would like to talk with the developers and seek some sort of compensation. I for one was attracted to the private marina and marina view so I can look at my boat from my apartment.
If the boat is unsafe to dock I may as well pull out of this development and buy else where.

Can someone from the developer come on this forum and answer a few questions for us please?

Thanks,

nomad

dubai_nomad · February 5th, 2008, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubai_nomad

Hi Yosuf - I dont know about anyone else but you can't be advertising a marina and not have one or a unfit marina. Im sure the other investors here would like to talk with the developers and seek some sort of compensation. I for one was attracted to the private marina and marina view so I can look at my boat from my apartment.
If the boat is unsafe to dock I may as well pull out of this development and buy else where.

Can someone from the developer come on this forum and answer a few questions for us please?

Thanks,

nomad

I have also had a look at the advert Ines places and it clearly says "private marina"

Ali_Syed · February 5th, 2008, 12:08 PM

its not the island designer who needs to do anything with the marina, nor the developer of the island will absorb the cost for the break water. the marina is exclusively a BM project for its own building. BM has planned for the marina, hence they will be building the break water. now this can be quite expensive, so i am not sure whether BM will do this or not. it can also be that BM developer just has placed an add of Marina in the marketing material to attract investors. This is quite common. i have experience in one of the previous development where a swimming pool was promised at the back yard of the building but it was not built, reason being that no planning permission was given at later stage.

so, i dont think marina is mentioned in our contract, i have gone through it. has anyone else read it thoroughly? if its not then this could just be a marketing stunt!

kiarash · February 5th, 2008, 03:50 PM

Dear all,
i would like to inform you that the wall that you are talking about for breakwater will be built by the master developer (Rakeen) it will be 5 meter far from Blu Mirage and plus 5 meter of rock to the water. we have got 10 meters distance between the wave and our Building, BM is 7.2 meter high from the ground to first floor it means that the wall will not block the view of even the first floor units.i do not have any information about how tall the wall will be but as soon as i recieve any details i will inform you.

Mohammad Bayat
Senior Sales Officer

Paramount Properties
9th floor, 910, Burjuman
Business tower, Dubai, UAE
p.o box: 91515, Dubai, UAE.
mobile:+971 50 8767007
mobile:+971 55 8767007
Email:Mohammad@Paramount4me.com
Email:Kiarashbayat@Yahoo.com
Web:www.paramount4me.com

kiarash · February 5th, 2008, 03:52 PM

please do not hesitate to contact me.
warm regard.

yecabel · February 5th, 2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubai_nomad

Reply from Rakeen regards to the marina break waters - or lack of..

Dear Nomad

I am sorry, in reality I did misunderstood your question. You should have told me about the plot number rather than the name of the development, because once you have got approval on your development design from Rakeen, the file will be transferred to me for comments. Unfortunately, In the design of AL Marjan Islands there is no allowance for marina protection in that part and any extra requirement has to be discussed with the Island designer to find out whether having a marina there is possible or not, on the other hand the developer shall bear the financial implication of such protection cost. I hope I did answer your question, and if you are still in doubt, please contact me again.

I am interested to see what people think of this?

i don't get it, rakeen says there is no allowance for marina protection and that any cost would be on the developer, kiarash says that the wall for breakwater will be built by rakeen, but he does not say anything on points raised in regards to marina planning permission.

those of you who have signed a contract say that there is no mentioning about marina in it. now, some are even assuming that the whole marina is just a marketing tool to attract investors.

kiarash, can you come clear and say whether you guys have/ are obtaining planning permission? also, why would those info not be present in the contract? finally, what will your company position be in the case the marina will not built?

Ali_Syed · February 5th, 2008, 06:06 PM

i dont think kairash understood our concern.

we are talking about a boundary around the Marina and not the protection of the BM building. We want to know whether there will be a break water boundary to protect the boats in the Marina?

Simple as that!

Ines · February 6th, 2008, 11:49 AM

Dear All,

I am going to sit down with the Developer and go over the questions raised in this thread - I have been traveling so have not had time to reply to you all.

Please bear with me.

Thanks

beer51 · February 6th, 2008, 01:52 PM

I was attracted to this development because of the marina but if there is no marina then the developer is selling something on false claim to attract investors which is not on. If this is the case then question needs to be asked regarding the credentials of the developer. What else could they be telling us that is not true.

Ali_Syed · February 6th, 2008, 04:47 PM

i think there is no reason for us to believe that there is no Marina "yet". As it is in the marketing material and all. We just need to confirm whether they are going to build safety barrier for Marina to protect boats. if there is no barrier and there is a Marina developed, then I dont think it will be much of a use anyway, because no one will trust to park their boats to the mercy of open sea.

dubai_nomad · February 6th, 2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ines

Dear All,

I am going to sit down with the Developer and go over the questions raised in this thread - I have been traveling so have not had time to reply to you all.

Please bear with me.

Thanks

Thank you Ines - if you could ask the questions to the developer and also stress that the unique selling point for most of us was the marina. If the marina is unfit for boats there is a possibility that many of us will pull out of this development.

The marketing material does indicate a marina etc.

Regards, nomad

dubai_nomad · February 12th, 2008, 07:20 AM

Ines do you have any updates?

Ali_Syed · February 12th, 2008, 11:43 AM

I spoke to Ines over the phone, she confirms that the master developer Rakeen will be building a safety break water wall for the marina. She said that she is trying to get the written confirmation or contract from Rakeen, and once she has it, it will be posted here for us all to see.

dubai_nomad · February 12th, 2008, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali_Syed

I spoke to Ines over the phone, she confirms that the master developer Rakeen will be building a safety break water wall for the marina. She said that she is trying to get the written confirmation or contract from Rakeen, and once she has it, it will be posted here for us all to see.

Great news - thanks Ines. Do you know when this "contract" or written approval will be issued?

Ines · February 12th, 2008, 06:46 PM

Dear All,

I have been very busy with the UK launch of the BM serviced apartments, which has been really successful.

I have spoken with the developer who has again given me verbal confirmation for the additional protection wall for the private marina at the Blu Mirage - as per my previous posts. I have discussed the issues raised here on skyscraper with the developer an they have assured me that the private marina will definitely be built along with the additional wall.

The developer has assured me that written approval for both the private marina and the building of the wall by Rakeen is available and I am chasing them for this written confirmation from their technical department - I hope to have this by the end of this week. It is very important for me to get this information to you all.

Kind regards,
Ines

February 12th, 2008, 06:46 PM	#80
Ines Ines Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dubai Posts: 58 Likes (Received): 0	Update Dear All, I have been very busy with the UK launch of the BM serviced apartments, which has been really successful. I have spoken with the developer who has again given me verbal confirmation for the additional protection wall for the private marina at the Blu Mirage - as per my previous posts. I have discussed the issues raised here on skyscraper with the developer an they have assured me that the private marina will definitely be built along with the additional wall. The developer has assured me that written approval for both the private marina and the building of the wall by Rakeen is available and I am chasing them for this written confirmation from their technical department - I hope to have this by the end of this week. It is very important for me to get this information to you all. Kind regards, Ines

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February 4th, 2008, 01:42 PM	#61
beer51 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 664 Likes (Received): 1	Hi Ines Can you kindly tell us if the Escrow account is up and running with Standard Chartered Bank.

February 5th, 2008, 07:02 AM	#63
dubai_nomad Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 327 Likes (Received): 0	Reply from Rakeen regards to the marina break waters - or lack of.. Dear Nomad I am sorry, in reality I did misunderstood your question. You should have told me about the plot number rather than the name of the development, because once you have got approval on your development design from Rakeen, the file will be transferred to me for comments. Unfortunately, In the design of AL Marjan Islands there is no allowance for marina protection in that part and any extra requirement has to be discussed with the Island designer to find out whether having a marina there is possible or not, on the other hand the developer shall bear the financial implication of such protection cost. I hope I did answer your question, and if you are still in doubt, please contact me again. I am interested to see what people think of this?

February 5th, 2008, 07:11 AM	#64
dubai_nomad Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 327 Likes (Received): 0	Looks like the island designer will absorb the cost for the marina. Who is the island designer? And how can they deisgn an island with a marina with no break water?!! Ines where did you get the info that the break waters will be around the island?

February 5th, 2008, 08:41 AM	#65
Yousuf27 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 615 Likes (Received): 0	It makes you wonder if the Marina for BM wil only ever be seen in the artist's impression. Could be expensive to install the necessary protection for a marina and unless the marina is planned to generate a lot of revenue it probably wouldn't be worth the developer's cost.

February 5th, 2008, 12:08 PM	#68
Ali_Syed Investor Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 223 Likes (Received): 0	its not the island designer who needs to do anything with the marina, nor the developer of the island will absorb the cost for the break water. the marina is exclusively a BM project for its own building. BM has planned for the marina, hence they will be building the break water. now this can be quite expensive, so i am not sure whether BM will do this or not. it can also be that BM developer just has placed an add of Marina in the marketing material to attract investors. This is quite common. i have experience in one of the previous development where a swimming pool was promised at the back yard of the building but it was not built, reason being that no planning permission was given at later stage. so, i dont think marina is mentioned in our contract, i have gone through it. has anyone else read it thoroughly? if its not then this could just be a marketing stunt!

February 5th, 2008, 03:50 PM	#69
kiarash Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 25 Likes (Received): 0	Dear all, i would like to inform you that the wall that you are talking about for breakwater will be built by the master developer (Rakeen) it will be 5 meter far from Blu Mirage and plus 5 meter of rock to the water. we have got 10 meters distance between the wave and our Building, BM is 7.2 meter high from the ground to first floor it means that the wall will not block the view of even the first floor units.i do not have any information about how tall the wall will be but as soon as i recieve any details i will inform you. Mohammad Bayat Senior Sales Officer Paramount Properties 9th floor, 910, Burjuman Business tower, Dubai, UAE p.o box: 91515, Dubai, UAE. mobile:+971 50 8767007 mobile:+971 55 8767007 Email:Mohammad@Paramount4me.com Email:Kiarashbayat@Yahoo.com Web:www.paramount4me.com

February 5th, 2008, 03:52 PM	#70
kiarash Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 25 Likes (Received): 0	please do not hesitate to contact me. warm regard.

February 5th, 2008, 06:06 PM	#72
Ali_Syed Investor Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 223 Likes (Received): 0	i dont think kairash understood our concern. we are talking about a boundary around the Marina and not the protection of the BM building. We want to know whether there will be a break water boundary to protect the boats in the Marina? Simple as that!

February 6th, 2008, 11:49 AM	#73
Ines Ines Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dubai Posts: 58 Likes (Received): 0	Dear All, I am going to sit down with the Developer and go over the questions raised in this thread - I have been traveling so have not had time to reply to you all. Please bear with me. Thanks

February 6th, 2008, 01:52 PM	#74
beer51 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 664 Likes (Received): 1	I was attracted to this development because of the marina but if there is no marina then the developer is selling something on false claim to attract investors which is not on. If this is the case then question needs to be asked regarding the credentials of the developer. What else could they be telling us that is not true.

February 6th, 2008, 04:47 PM	#75
Ali_Syed Investor Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 223 Likes (Received): 0	i think there is no reason for us to believe that there is no Marina "yet". As it is in the marketing material and all. We just need to confirm whether they are going to build safety barrier for Marina to protect boats. if there is no barrier and there is a Marina developed, then I dont think it will be much of a use anyway, because no one will trust to park their boats to the mercy of open sea.

February 12th, 2008, 07:20 AM	#77
dubai_nomad Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 327 Likes (Received): 0	Ines do you have any updates?

February 12th, 2008, 11:43 AM	#78
Ali_Syed Investor Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 223 Likes (Received): 0	I spoke to Ines over the phone, she confirms that the master developer Rakeen will be building a safety break water wall for the marina. She said that she is trying to get the written confirmation or contract from Rakeen, and once she has it, it will be posted here for us all to see.