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Old June 7th, 2011, 12:08 AM   #201
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Old June 7th, 2011, 12:14 AM   #202
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Yup, he's short enough that he wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb (or would he? maybe they really are that short!) - Clarkson and Cap'n Slow surely would though since they're taller.
He's not really short. the others are tall
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Old August 31st, 2011, 03:55 PM   #203
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I lived during comunism in Romania at a time when the country was isolated as North Korea is now.
In order to demistify some myths about what people do and know in a closed country:
- yes, the propaganda said great things about our 'great leader' every day, but people knew nothing was true because they were not naive
- information about external world was restricted, but not impossible to obtain:
- we catch with high TV antennas the TVs from neighbouring countries (Yugoslav TV, for example) and we knew what happens in the world (and the comunist police did not react - important to mention)
- the few Romanians which were allowed to travel in the West took from there video cassetes, newspapers or magazines and they share with their neighbours (and the comunist police did not react)
- the radio stations financed by USA (Free Europe) and Great Britain (BBC) emitted in Romanian from Munich and could be received in acceptable conditions, even if the Romanian police used anti-radio stations for interference ('brouillage' in French)

But, of course, this sparse information about the external world was not enough and I have had big surprises after 1989 when free information entered the country.
For example, before 1989 Romanians did not know what AIDS is. I heard about it on radio Free Europe, but not enough to understand everything (because I didn't have the time to listen all day to them).

About today North Korea, I read on some sites that they import illegally (smuggling) computers from China and other gadgets.
I don't know how and if they manage to use the internet.

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Old August 31st, 2011, 04:56 PM   #204
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Communism in Eastern Europe was better than in Korea. Eastern bloc countries were in contact with the West. People travelled abroad. There were new technologies, fashion. The law wasn't so restrictive. People had freedom of movement, religion. There weren't death camps. Cult of one person wasn't so big, media and art didn't focus only on one man and propaganda. And there was Radio Free Europe. So people weren't so devoted to work and government. This is what it was like in Poland. That's a little off topic, by the way.
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Old September 1st, 2011, 05:06 PM   #205
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I would say that only applies to Yugoslavia...
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Old September 5th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #206
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Looks like German Reichautobahns in 1935-1940!!
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Old September 6th, 2011, 03:38 AM   #207
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^ And it is all empty too like this one in Nampo:

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Old September 6th, 2011, 04:28 AM   #208
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^ And it is all empty too like this one in Nampo:

I guess only good thing about communist dictatorship, No Traffic!
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Old October 26th, 2011, 01:47 PM   #209
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erm... its so much different from the world i am staying, far behind, but looks really clean.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 10:09 PM   #210
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Communism in Eastern Europe was better than in Korea. Eastern bloc countries were in contact with the West. People travelled abroad. There were new technologies, fashion. The law wasn't so restrictive. People had freedom of movement, religion. There weren't death camps. Cult of one person wasn't so big, media and art didn't focus only on one man and propaganda. And there was Radio Free Europe. So people weren't so devoted to work and government. This is what it was like in Poland.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 10:28 PM   #211
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There was more traffic in Eastern Europe
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Old October 27th, 2011, 12:00 AM   #212
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It's true, although mostly after the Stalinist period that never really ended in North Korea.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 12:17 AM   #213
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It's true, although mostly after the Stalinist period that never really ended in North Korea.
I thought people hadn't been allowed to travel abroad. There wasn't really freedom of religion, and new technologies and fashion weren't good (but better than North Korea, of course).
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Old October 27th, 2011, 12:28 AM   #214
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Communism in Eastern Europe was better than in Korea. Eastern bloc countries were in contact with the West. People travelled abroad. There were new technologies, fashion. The law wasn't so restrictive. People had freedom of movement, religion. There weren't death camps. Cult of one person wasn't so big, media and art didn't focus only on one man and propaganda. And there was Radio Free Europe. So people weren't so devoted to work and government. This is what it was like in Poland. That's a little off topic, by the way.
Depends on where you were I guess. East Germany would most likely have had the most contact with Western Europe at that time. They would have been able to pick up a lot of West German TV and radio signals. The Twist was popular in Russia, despite officials of the day saying it should be banned for being "Too Western". The farther one was from the East/West border, the more control the Communist Govts. had, I would think. I think Chris could tell us where a thread on this subject could be placed so we could discuss it. I think it would be neat to hear from members who did live in Communist East Europe.

Back on topic, I find these pics fascinating. I'd love to be able to have the opportunity to pedal those roads. It is possible to enter N. Korea as part of a tour from S. Korea I think. I know there are tours that go TO the border and one of the stipulations is, is that you do NOT take pics of anything, or people north of the border.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 02:46 AM   #215
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I thought people hadn't been allowed to travel abroad. There wasn't really freedom of religion, and new technologies and fashion weren't good (but better than North Korea, of course).
Verso, we in Yugoslavia had all the freedom to travel anywhere abroad and we did. It wasn't the case in most of the other countries, which mostly allowed traveling to fellow countries but banned traveling to Western Europe. We in YU had VCR's, computers, cameras ... Some things we had to smuggle, but it was possible to do that. We had satellite dishes, but it was hard to buy exotic fruits. Us from Slovenia usually went to Austria and Italy for bananas and my mother, who was born in the 1940's said she ate her first orange when she was 20 or something.
Religion - allowed, but not welcomed.
Fashion - as much as today, but we could hardly buy any western brands in YU.

What N. Korea faces is something totally different.
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Verso, we in Yugoslavia had all the freedom to travel anywhere abroad and we did. It wasn't the case in most of the other countries, which mostly allowed traveling to fellow countries but banned traveling to Western Europe. We in YU had VCR's, computers, cameras ... Some things we had to smuggle, but it was possible to do that. We had satellite dishes, but it was hard to buy exotic fruits. Us from Slovenia usually went to Austria and Italy for bananas and my mother, who was born in the 1940's said she ate her first orange when she was 20 or something.
Religion - allowed, but not welcomed.
Fashion - as much as today, but we could hardly buy any western brands in YU.

What N. Korea faces is something totally different.
Exactly, I don't think anything like N Korea has existed in Europe or what was the Soviet Union since Stalin died.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 10:34 AM   #217
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I thought people hadn't been allowed to travel abroad. There wasn't really freedom of religion, and new technologies and fashion weren't good (but better than North Korea, of course).
Not in case of Poland, we had freedom of religion, ppl were allowed to tavel west since 70's and we had small private companies.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #218
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ppl were allowed to tavel west since 70's
Can someone confirm this?
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Old October 27th, 2011, 06:10 PM   #219
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People were allowed to travel with passport, but it was hard to get it in 70s.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 06:39 PM   #220
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From a Hungarian perspective, Polish communism under Jaruzelski appeared as rather strict ...
In Hungary (unlike the GDR for example), trips to the West were generally allowed once every three years - permitted by a "window" stamped in the passport. Later (from the 80's I believe), already once a year. Of course a passport (or the "window") could be denied if you offended the ruling system in some way.
Plus, you had the right to buy hard currency worth USD 50.- per year and person. These amounts of course did not permit any big spending on holiday in the "Non-Socialist Economic Area". It was common for Hungarian tourists to take tents, sleeping bags and canned food with them.
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