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Old October 27th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #221
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Exactly, I don't think anything like N Korea has existed in Europe or what was the Soviet Union since Stalin died.
Albania maybe?

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Not in case of Poland, we had freedom of religion, ppl were allowed to tavel west since 70's and we had small private companies.
Really? In the movie about Pope John Paul II is shown that religion was highly persecuted by communist government, even in late 80s, when the Solidanost catholic-democratic movement ruled by Lech Walesa exploded. For example, they dodn't allow residents to build a new church in a new urban neighborhood.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 07:23 PM   #222
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From a Hungarian perspective, Polish communism under Jaruzelski appeared as rather strict ...
In Hungary (unlike the GDR for example), trips to the West were generally allowed once every three years - permitted by a "window" stamped in the passport. Later (from the 80's I believe), already once a year. Of course a passport (or the "window") could be denied if you offended the ruling system in some way.
Plus, you had the right to buy hard currency worth USD 50.- per year and person. These amounts of course did not permit any big spending on holiday in the "Non-Socialist Economic Area". It was common for Hungarian tourists to take tents, sleeping bags and canned food with them.
In Poland it was almost the same, only no any 3 years rule. The problem was the bureaucracy to get the passport and after you got it it was kept at militia station and you had to ask them to release it before every travel and after the travel bring it back to militia. Of course they could refuse the passport for any reason but common people generally had no problems. My parents have traveled most of Western Europe with heir Fiat 126 in 70' and they were beginning architect and engineer, quite common people, of course they had no money and were travelling with tent. Also in 70' my father was going to Sweden like every year to pick up berries so he could earn quite a good money in Polish reality (actually government almost supported it because they liked people to bring $$$ to country that desperately needed them).

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Really? In the movie about Pope John Paul II is shown that religion was highly persecuted by communist government, even in late 80s, when the Solidanost catholic-democratic movement ruled by Lech Walesa exploded. For example, they dodn't allow residents to build a new church in a new urban neighborhood.
O common, persecuted was church's involvement into politics not religion as such. There are people that insist that Catholic Church is persecuted in Poland even nowadays which is extreme BS. How could you possibly persecute religion in such a religious state like Poland. In my opinion church/state relations were more healthy than now, namely they were separated. I was schoolboy in 80' and after normal school all the children were going to church school twice a week, now religion is taught in public schools, that's the difference. Of course there were persecutions but all of them had political backgrounds, not religious.

BTW you won't learn much truth from movies about Pope John Paul II.

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Old October 27th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #223
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Exactly, I don't think anything like N Korea has existed in Europe or what was the Soviet Union since Stalin died.
Albania?

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Old October 27th, 2011, 08:20 PM   #224
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Really? In the movie about Pope John Paul II is shown that religion was highly persecuted by communist government, even in late 80s, when the Solidanost catholic-democratic movement ruled by Lech Walesa exploded. For example, they dodn't allow residents to build a new church in a new urban neighborhood.
Poland was the only communist country where religion was truly free and respected by authorities, communism in Poland had "human face" unlike in Soviet Republics.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 08:56 PM   #225
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Albania?
I think Albania was less hardcore anyway, after all it's regime didn't survive.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 09:28 PM   #226
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How was government's approach to religion in Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria and Romania?
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Old October 28th, 2011, 01:19 AM   #227
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How was government's approach to religion in Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria and Romania?
In Yugoslavia it was pretty much tolerated, although it did not have any role in public matters whatsoever in the 50ies and 60ies.
However, in the 70ies religion gradually started to influence public life and become one of the driving forces for nationalist movements.

Especially Serbian Orthodox Church had a very destructive role in this process, it embrassed most extreme ideas, served as a logistical base for the supporters of those extremist nationalistic ideas, many of whom later became war criminals and ultimately supported mass destruction and ethnic cleansing of non-Orthodox and non-Serb population.

Another paradoxal example is the creation of Macedonian Orthodox Church that was sponsored by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Showing that State used religion to achieve political goals and tolerated it in mass sometimes.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 01:47 AM   #228
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Another paradoxal example is the creation of Macedonian Orthodox Church that was sponsored by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 04:56 AM   #229
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Dictatorships are always full of paradox and the most common one is that they claim they are democracy!
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Old October 28th, 2011, 08:48 PM   #230
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Old February 9th, 2012, 10:58 AM   #231
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Anyone got any figures on Pyongyang's highways? Numbers, length and lanes?
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Old February 12th, 2012, 05:47 AM   #232
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Anyone got any figures on Pyongyang's highways? Numbers, length and lanes?
North Korea's highways have the highest AADT in the world. Since they were planned by the world's greatest traffic engineers (the Kim family) there is never any congestion or traffic jams. There have been no fatalities on North Korean roads because the Great Leader and the Dear Leader who designed them studied road design for years out of love for the people. The roads never need repairs nor do they get things like potholes, the roads keep themselves in pristine condition in gratitude to the Kim dynasty.
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Old February 12th, 2012, 07:18 AM   #233
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North Korea's highways have the highest AADT in the world. Since they were planned by the world's greatest traffic engineers (the Kim family) there is never any congestion or traffic jams. There have been no fatalities on North Korean roads because the Great Leader and the Dear Leader who designed them studied road design for years out of love for the people. The roads never need repairs nor do they get things like potholes, the roads keep themselves in pristine condition in gratitude to the Kim dynasty.
Woot! Hail the great leader for sure! I must say though..I am impressed with his planning prowess! He envisions that one day millions of cars will flood these roads and there won't ever be a single traffic jam!
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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #234
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Well um, thanks, but I was kinda looking at specifics like km and number of lanes. Nevermind.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #235
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Well um, thanks, but I was kinda looking at specifics like km and number of lanes. Nevermind.
North Korea isn't exactly an open society so the answers I gave you are as good as any. Chances are only the intelligence organizations of South Korea, the USA, and China really know much of anything about the roads in North Korea.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #236
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I'm wonder if your car breaks down or if you have an accident someone will help you on North Korean highways
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Old February 14th, 2012, 02:37 PM   #237
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How was government's approach to religion in Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, GDR, Bulgaria and Romania?
Well it wasn't illegal, but it wasn't supported or anything. I think generally in countries with socialist/communist governments the states took a sort of atheist approach. I was only ten in '89, but never heard about practicing religion being the biggest problem of Hungarians. Although we are not a very religious nation...

To give my view on the original question, yes, Romania's dictatorship was probably the most hardcore of the Eastern European countries. But it still wasn't anything like North Korea.
Albania is a good example for comparison in terms of isolation. But I don't know much about the Enver Hoxha regime, so I can't say if it was anything as brutal and oppressive (it probably wasn't, as Albania today is a totally different place)
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Old February 14th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #238
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ENOUGH WITH THE RELIGIONS FOR GODS SAKE! create a thread about this if there is none already and go there to talk about religion,mods please delete the religion posts,this is about highways in north korea...
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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:26 AM   #239
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I want specific information! I'm doing research and need specific information! Thank you.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:57 AM   #240
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North Korea has 520 kilometers of expressways. The first was the Pyongyang - Wonsan Expressway, and opened in 1978. All expressways have 4 lanes, except for the Pyongyang - Nampho Expressway, which has 10 lanes.
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