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Old May 3rd, 2014, 01:06 PM   #361
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Traffic congestion means that more people and more people can afford cars, which means they got more money.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 07:16 PM   #362
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Can it be staged by the authorities and leaked abroad accidentally on purpose to make us think they're developing?
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 08:09 PM   #363
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Everything it's possible in that country. Or maybe it's a sort of parade, with all government vehicles involved. The van with megaphones is surely broadcasting some Kim Jong Un speech.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 09:24 PM   #364
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Is that the American-made VW Passat?

I also like how South Korean-made Kia Sorento (black SUV on right) has the logos taken off just in case
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 09:32 PM   #365
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Why does a chicken cross a North-Korean street?
He is indoctrinated by the state to cause all cars in the country creating a traffic jam...
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 09:37 PM   #366
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Traffic jam.

Interesting, do they have a DRL law in North Korea ? (using headlights during the day)
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 11:06 PM   #367
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Can it be staged by the authorities and leaked abroad accidentally on purpose to make us think they're developing?
Wouldn't surprise me.

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Is that the American-made VW Passat?

I also like how South Korean-made Kia Sorento (black SUV on right) has the logos taken off just in case
The Passat is Chinese-made, as most cars in the picture. It wouldn't be surprising to see South-Korean made cars in DPRK though; both countries have significant commercial interchanges.
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Old May 4th, 2014, 02:09 AM   #368
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Traffic congestion means that more people and more people can afford cars, which means they got more money.
Or bad planning.

I have always wondered, why communist or so-itself-calling states never built even just to show the world any expressway systems even in such huge cities as Moscow despite having very huge urban sprawl, and still 10-lane-streets were common.
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Old May 4th, 2014, 02:20 AM   #369
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Pyongyang has a surprising number of (needlessly) complicated interchanges you have to admit

probably just all the Party officials going to May 1 celebrations
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Old May 4th, 2014, 04:07 AM   #370
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Or bad planning.

I have always wondered, why communist or so-itself-calling states never built even just to show the world any expressway systems even in such huge cities as Moscow despite having very huge urban sprawl, and still 10-lane-streets were common.
Because they just loved railways.
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Old May 4th, 2014, 11:24 AM   #371
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I have always wondered, why communist or so-itself-calling states never built even just to show the world any expressway systems even in such huge cities as Moscow despite having very huge urban sprawl, and still 10-lane-streets were common.
Maybe good planning?

They understood that transporting the mases of working people from the sleeping districts to the industrial ones could be done cheaper and more efficient if it was done by public transport (see drawing above). And back then in Moscow the streets were like expressways compared to today - no level pedestrian crossings and traffic meant an average speed of 30-40 km/h while currently it's just 17. If I'm not mistaken, the speed limit in inhabited areas was 60 km/h.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 10:33 PM   #372
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Yeah, I so love sitting with 4 packages of food and a case of beer in a crowded bus which stops every 100 metres on a summer day. Cars and motorways should be human rights! The way at least Europe is going backwards to the 30s is crazy. One of my favourites is also waiting for a bus in -30C.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #373
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Yeah, I so love sitting with 4 packages of food and a case of beer in a crowded bus which stops every 100 metres on a summer day. Cars and motorways should be human rights! The way at least Europe is going backwards to the 30s is crazy. One of my favourites is also waiting for a bus in -30C.
Very well said, it is especially sad how some very wealthy countries like Switzerland or Norway impose a lot of unnecessary restrictions on motorists.

And yeah, them Commies really knew how to organize traffic - best in Europe was Enver Hoxha
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I am not sure how the efficiency works. The above thing references area, okay, but what is more efficient is people's time.
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Yeah, I so love sitting with 4 packages of food and a case of beer in a crowded bus which stops every 100 metres on a summer day. Cars and motorways should be human rights! The way at least Europe is going backwards to the 30s is crazy. One of my favourites is also waiting for a bus in -30C.
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Very well said, it is especially sad how some very wealthy countries like Switzerland or Norway impose a lot of unnecessary restrictions on motorists.

And yeah, them Commies really knew how to organize traffic - best in Europe was Enver Hoxha
what??? with frequent buses and accurate time schedule there wont be a need to wait for a bus at -30. "Unnecessary"? It is also people's right to breathe in healthy air, which would be achieved by these restrictions....
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Old May 7th, 2014, 09:04 AM   #376
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I am not sure how the efficiency works. The above thing references area, okay, but what is more efficient is people's time.
And how many hours do Americans currently spend sitting in traffic jams? For many different reasons I believe that the countryside should have highways while the cities - very good public transport - frequent, fast, not overcrowded. But let's not get off-topic.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 10:26 AM   #377
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What restrictions are you referring to?
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Old May 7th, 2014, 11:05 AM   #378
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And how many hours do Americans currently spend sitting in traffic jams?
Less than Europeans, Australians and Asians. Los Angeles has the shortest commute time of all megacities in the world despite the notorious traffic congestion.

The comparison between the needed space of cars, walking, busies, cycling, etc. is irrelevant because it assumes every train traveler or every pedestrian would have otherwise used a car, which is not the case.
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What restrictions are you referring to?
Probably the fact that we didn't go through with the proposed 60s motorway crisscrossing of our biggest cities, most notably Oslo, and thus are stuck with narrow city streets... It could, of course, also be the lack of interurban motorways or high-quality roads or low speed limits. Personally, I'm happy Grünerløkka wasn't demolished to make way for a motorway... And even though I'd like to see better roads and somewhat higher motorway speed limits, I fail to see how the lack of such are "restrictions".
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Old May 7th, 2014, 08:34 PM   #380
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The comparison between the needed space of cars, walking, busies, cycling, etc. is irrelevant because it assumes every train traveler or every pedestrian would have otherwise used a car, which is not the case.
True. Still, I believe a proper and well-functioning public transport system is beneficial to any town or city. That is not to say that I think we should banish all road traffic from cities - I believe in a functioning road network as well - but high-capacity interurban roads are extremely expensive, especially if you don't want them to be barriers to urban life and massive eyesores. The interaction between private and public transport is key.
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