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Old May 7th, 2014, 08:52 PM   #381
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You guys really have to discuss this stuff in the North Korean thread? Out of all threads...
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Old May 8th, 2014, 03:56 AM   #382
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what??? with frequent buses and accurate time schedule there wont be a need to wait for a bus at -30. "Unnecessary"? It is also people's right to breathe in healthy air, which would be achieved by these restrictions....
I want to go anywhere I want and anytime I want, and you didn't explain how to make comfortable to carry 4 packages of food in a crowded, smelly bus. And I hate depending on schedules - I want the liberty of going anytime anywhere, as I said.

And yes, it's ok to discuss this in the KP thread because it lacks an expressway system, like Helsinki (though Helsinki because of the anonymously hugest percent of green-left-parties voting).

Why doesn't KP as a dictatorship do the same as Argentina's junta, built a motorway network, even just for propaganda? Some time that will end and then it will be useful.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 04:01 AM   #383
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Noordkorea does have expressway network, sometimes bicycles and tractors on there but so low traffic doesn't really matter, even huge highway to South Korea except illegal to drive there...
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Old May 8th, 2014, 11:30 AM   #384
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I want to go anywhere I want and anytime I want, and you didn't explain how to make comfortable to carry 4 packages of food in a crowded, smelly bus. And I hate depending on schedules - I want the liberty of going anytime anywhere, as I said.
So a 1 - 5 minute interval doesn't fit the description "travel anytime I want"? But overcrowding is basically the same issue as traffic jams - lack of capacity. And somebody should equip public transport with air fresheners...
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Old May 10th, 2014, 12:24 AM   #385
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So a 1 - 5 minute interval doesn't fit the description "travel anytime I want"? But overcrowding is basically the same issue as traffic jams - lack of capacity. And somebody should equip public transport with air fresheners...
Well, if you ask me would I sit in a) a filthy bus b) a BMW with leather seats and giant stereos, guess the answer.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #386
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You can sit in your shiny new BMW, no problem with that as long as you can afford it. The rest of the society is not obliged to pay for building ever more and faster roads for your toy, though.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 06:48 AM   #387
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If you're arguing in support of public transit, I don't think you really want to bring up the issue of who is subsidizing who.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 12:20 PM   #388
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You guys really have to discuss this stuff in the North Korean thread? Out of all threads...
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Old May 11th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #389
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Public transit means dependence. Dependence means communism.
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Old May 12th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #390
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Public transit means dependence. Dependence means communism.
Actually that's not communism. "Communism becomes fully realized when the distinction between classes is no longer possible and therefore the state, which has been used as an instrument of class dictatorship, no longer exists."

Although the sentence itself is from Wikipedia, I trust the above to be true since we learned the same in school. But I don't know if the following sentence from Wikipedia is true:

"In 2009, references to Communism were removed from the country's [North Korea's] constitution." If this is the case, then North Korea isn't even trying to achieve communism anymore - it's just a totalitarian dictatorship or something.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 09:14 AM   #391
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Juche is much worse than communism.

In communism you have workers, and an elite (those who are "more equal").
In Juche the leadership has been assigned to a god-like creature. Absolute worshipping of the leader, in a way even Stalin could never have dreamed of...
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Old May 14th, 2014, 11:16 AM   #392
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Yeah, but the main thing I was wondering is why don't they build a massive motorway network in Pjongjang just to show the world they are as good as Americans?
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Old May 14th, 2014, 02:35 PM   #393
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In fact, they have already built a "massive" network, at least to the extent of some 10-lane highways with mostly bicycles using it :rolleyes: Otherwise, it is difficult for them to build anything monumental due to the extreme scarcity of available goods, caused by that Commie one-man dictatorship.

Commie regimes wanting to show that they are "better than Americans", "better than the Imperialists" and suchlike have never proven successful. Several announcements have been made, like Walter Ulbricht's "Überholen, ohne einzuholen" (towards W. Germany), or Khrushchev's "we will bury you" (towards the USA), but history did not confirm these ....
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I am not sure of NK's view on environmentalism but I would assume that is a progressive one if they have yet to utilize a useful road system . The other obvious possibility is that most of the population just can not afford vehicles. The system they have now is littered with bicycles (Which is not bad in anyway) and lacks any useful marking system .
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Old May 16th, 2014, 01:49 AM   #395
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the environment in NK is beyond horrible, half the country is radioactive the other half soil blew away so no food
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Old May 17th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #396
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Juche is much worse than communism.

In communism you have workers, and an elite (those who are "more equal").
In Juche the leadership has been assigned to a god-like creature. Absolute worshipping of the leader, in a way even Stalin could never have dreamed of...
It's also very unusual for a "communist state" to have ruling dynasties...
In USSR, even Stalin haven't got an "iron like him" successor .

Also, what's funny, is that NK has copied our Swiss national motto "Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno" into their constitution .
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Old May 17th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #397
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There is a new border bridge between China and North Korea, called the New Yalu River Bridge. It's located south of Dandong.

The North Korean side of the bridge ends at nothing.
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Now that's a Bridge to Nowhere!
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Actually that bridge leads to nk's new Hwanggumpyong Special Economic Zone which will open in 2015/2016 as part of North Korea's market reform program
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it seems like NK's market reform program was, um, terminated a few months ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Sung-taek
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