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Old May 18th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #401
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Yeah all except the port of Rason seem to stopped.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #402
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Today I heard on the news that a residenciaö building in Pyongyand has collapsed with unfortunately a strong number of victims. They said that the NK gouvernment expressed excuses to the victims and wanted to investigates into the cuases like lack of proper controls. This seemed new to me and could be read as a sign of a more open policy.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 01:32 AM   #403
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While I agree that North Korea seems to slowly be becoming more open with some economic and agricultural reforms being made as of late, the only countries being allowed to help make these changes are China and Russia. This means that an "open" North Korea will most likely end up a resource/ satellite state for China. This wouldn't be terrible as North Korea could greatly benefit from many of the infrastructure upgrades taking place in China such as high speed rail and expressways.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 03:00 PM   #404
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A drive through the streets of Pyongyang.

Surprised to see so many traffic cameras (which probably are in no way used to simply spy on people)
And at 19:53 it's interesting to see that many people use the hard shoulder (Am I correct to use that definition?) as bicycle lanes.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 03:41 PM   #405
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Looks very clean and ecological...
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Old May 30th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #406
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A drive through the streets of Pyongyang.

Surprised to see so many traffic cameras (which probably are in no way used to simply spy on people)
And at 19:53 it's interesting to see that many people use the hard shoulder (Am I correct to use that definition?) as bicycle lanes.
I wanted to know where this route would be on a map, so I quickly "made" one in Paint:

(Route in blue, green boxes are reference points in the video)

(map source, donparrish.com)

I often wondered what a North Korean Streetview would look like, unfortunately one is often limited to grainy videos, illegally shot from tourist buses. Google Streetview in Pyongyang may not exist within 200 years, but this video is a fantastic alternative, better than we could hope for.

Some things I noticed:

- It's better to not be a pedestrian in Pyongyang: cars race at 70 or 80 km/h through the city, not respecting any zebra crossings. Fortunately there isn't that much traffic, even downtown. (And one could wonder about the traffic that is using the road in this video, could it be potemkin-traffic?)

- Apart from main arteries, asphalt quality is really bad. Many roads in the video are cracked up, and full of potholes/loose manhole covers.

- Striping is not very consequent.

- Massive lines at the trolleybus stands.

- Where have all the traffic girls gone? The white circles still remain at every main intersection, but traffic is now handled by (very badly placed) traffic lights. And sometimes no traffic lights/girls at all.
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Old May 31st, 2014, 05:56 AM   #407
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- Where have all the traffic girls gone? The white circles still remain at every main intersection, but traffic is now handled by (very badly placed) traffic lights. And sometimes no traffic lights/girls at all.
Well I guess most of those are for show to the occasional tourist to PY. And the girls are posted elsewhere away from the priving eyes of the tourist.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 05:37 AM   #408
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Some random road signs
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Pyongyang-Kaesong Motorway at DMZ

Pyongyang-Nampo Motorway - This sign on its own is interesting, having North Kroea as the only east asian nation with signs having texts from up to down as opposed to left to right (which is not a criticism, but just an observation)
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 11:47 AM   #409
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Pyongyang-Kaesong Motorway at DMZ
Interestingly, the sign says Seoul.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 04:10 PM   #410
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Pyongyang-Nampo Motorway - This sign on its own is interesting, having North Kroea as the only east asian nation with signs having texts from up to down as opposed to left to right (which is not a criticism, but just an observation)
On road signs in South Korea I haven't seen any with characters up and down, but signs on local and intercity buses, they are up and down more often than not.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 09:53 AM   #411
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Interestingly, the sign says Seoul.
Same happens in the other border:

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Old February 24th, 2015, 01:29 PM   #412
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Preparations for reunification I guess...
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Old February 24th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #413
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- Apart from main arteries, asphalt quality is really bad. Many roads in the video are cracked up, and full of potholes/loose manhole covers.

- Striping is not very consequent.

- Massive lines at the trolleybus stands.

- Where have all the traffic girls gone? The white circles still remain at every main intersection, but traffic is now handled by (very badly placed) traffic lights. And sometimes no traffic lights/girls at all.
That was a neat vid.

N. Korea is very poor, so it stands to reason that there would be limited street repair. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the newly paved sections, were repaired specifically for the vid. The same with the pavement markings.

Vehicle ownership is well beyond the means of the average citizen. Only the wealthy can afford a vehicle of any kind, outside the possibility of State run construction companies (the cabover/forward control) dump trucks, for example. as a result, most people walk, ride a bicycle (expensive in N. Korea, due to very low wages) or take the bus.

I'm not sure how extensive traffic lights are, but I would guess that the Traffic Girls would have been reassigned elsewhere. Due to very low traffic volumes, signalizing intersections is rather pointless.
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Old February 24th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #414
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Preparations for reunification I guess...
Well, both Koreas already claim each other's territory. Anyway, good luck attempting to get to Gaeseong (Kaesong) from that point...
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Old February 25th, 2015, 12:37 AM   #415
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People in NK do not only have one of the lowest car ownership in the world, they a very ingenious people despite of lack of transportation, and rely one of the most extensively on "System D" to ride about, transport goods, and to move in general:






















South Korean workers moving back to their homeland:


But, there is also this "extravagant elite" in Pyongyang:


In fact, with so few cars and vehicles, few electricity waste and homes connected, no need for massive and long transportation, a "promised land" and "paradise" for some of our green party environmentalists . We should promote our Western civilization by sending them for some stage there, it will be a win-win situation .
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Old February 25th, 2015, 01:19 AM   #416
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yes!
I am not sure "Systeme D" is known in English but it should be, I love that word

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N. Korea is very poor, so it stands to reason that there would be limited street repair. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that the newly paved sections, were repaired specifically for the vid. The same with the pavement markings.

Vehicle ownership is well beyond the means of the average citizen. Only the wealthy can afford a vehicle of any kind, outside the possibility of State run construction companies (the cabover/forward control) dump trucks, for example. as a result, most people walk, ride a bicycle (expensive in N. Korea, due to very low wages) or take the bus.

I'm not sure how extensive traffic lights are, but I would guess that the Traffic Girls would have been reassigned elsewhere. Due to very low traffic volumes, signalizing intersections is rather pointless.
It's important to note that private citizens are not ALLOWED to own cars even if they can afford. The ones that are there are either state-owned cars and drivers given to party elite or cars that have been purchased illegally / registered via bribery.

and for road repair, it doesn't matter if poor, they just "mobilise" the residents of a given area to go out with shovels and fix the roads whenever the local cadres think it a good idea.
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Old February 25th, 2015, 02:18 AM   #417
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I was just thinking, if the north were to reclaim the south, my guess they would be lost in the maze of highways and viaducts and have hard time to resign everything...

But then if the south reclaim north , it as easy as sailing though the new northern route from Europe to Seoul.
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Old February 25th, 2015, 02:40 AM   #418
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Don't you forgot that Russia, and especially "putinism" is the biggest threat for EU right now NK has been long forgotten, despite their "nuclear threat" . I won't be surprised if somewhere in the future Pyongyang turns it back to Russia, and remember the old proverb: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" - and become EU "ally" ? The future is bright !

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Old February 25th, 2015, 03:50 AM   #419
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well, it is true preferred hard currency in NK was Euro! But now seems mostly RMB...
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