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Old September 5th, 2009, 02:50 PM   #161
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But when were those massive wide roads and interchanges with fyovers built? How could they even afford building them?
there are always enough money and resource to build unnecessary and wasteful megalomanic things in dictatorships...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang#Landmarks


and as a communist dictator you dont have to worry about the next elections, you wont be fired...
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Old September 6th, 2009, 09:43 AM   #162
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why didn't Hungary build any in communism, you were smarter?
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Old September 6th, 2009, 09:51 AM   #163
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I found the way with even ten lanes (50m) connecting Pyongyang with town Nampo in the length of about 35 km.
someone has a pic?
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Old September 6th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #164
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why didn't Hungary build any in communism, you were smarter?
it was a very light dictatorship... it was the lightest in the eastern block...
(hence there is a strong nostalgy in many hungarians for that era...

on the contrary NK is a hardcore communist dictatorship...
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Old September 7th, 2009, 03:51 PM   #165
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Anyway, it's much better to have such enormous fly-overs than just imagine them, even in country with such idiotic dictatorship! Btw, even democratic countries can't afford such construction!
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Old September 8th, 2009, 01:16 PM   #166
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Just can't understand why can't there happen someday any revoultion, it seems NK citizens are not even inetersted in changing the political system and power..
I've seen very interesting documental film some time ago, I belive it was made by Russians. It was about "ordinary" life in Pyongyang and had very sad conclusion. Most of those people do not consider NK with its regime as bad, poor country. They're brainwashed since child and belive, that in other people suffer from much bigger poverty and "some small problems" occuring in NK (electricity, food etc. shortages) are fault of hostile regimes, especially South Korea and USA. For them NK is a good country they'd die for and Kims are kind of gods. Plus NKoreans are scared one of each other due to massive invigilation. Just remember they don't have sat tv, internet, they don't travel abroad, their communism is much more intense than "our" was - it's like the worst years of stalinism continued for decades. Changes over there will teke place not because of ordinary people, but when politicians will find them necessary.
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Old September 8th, 2009, 01:29 PM   #167
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I watched in a doccumentary several people sweeping the highways with brooms in North Korea. They could clean it without problem because no car had crossed that highway in hours. It seems it is a typical punishment there, and you know it's pretty easy to get punished there.
That's not a punishment, more like a privillege Punishment means man have to leave Pyongyang, when only loyal citizens are allowed to live - that's because Pyongyang offers luxury hard to meet outisde of it. I mean several hours of electricity a day, reasonable public tranpsortation and decent food supply. People in NK are obliged to clean certain parts of the place they live in. In the result Pyongyang is a very clean city even though there are no municipal cleaning companies operating.

For heavier "crimes" there are slave work camps... London in Orwell's 1984 seems like a liberal paradise compared to NK.

BTW: Typicall sight on Pyongyang streets are beautifull, specially selected girls in uniforms to manage automobile traffic that... virtually don't exist
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Old September 8th, 2009, 01:38 PM   #168
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I wish I could get a car and freely explore North Korea. Visit the palaces, the death camps, eat fine North Korean cuisine and see the absolute worst parts of DPRK. I doubt as a U.S. citizen I could even get on one of those tours they have.
Nobody is allowed to see what mentioned, not only Americans. Tourist are shown only selected places in NK, the "bright side" of the country (still very dark considering western standards), always with personal "translator" by side. No way any of us could go there by car and travel around country just like that.
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There's a NK embassy in Poland and it runs official North Korea web site: http://www.krld.pl It's poor but, belive me, very improved recently One of articles on main page dated august 19th 2009 is about "modern platforms for traffic control". They're described as a great, unique improvement, found very interesting by people of Pyongyang. They protect from heat of asphalt and - thanks to innovative umbrella - also from sun and rain. "Traffic control women keep their faces bright even in the hottest days, and pedestrians stop for a while to look at this new scene". "They say, that it's possible only in their country leaded by Kim Dzong Il" - they're quite right actually "Traffic contrtollers are touched by the care they get from General Scerterary of Korean Labour Party Kim Dzong Il, who ordered installing platforms right after he gave them rain protective clothes and shoes, sunglasses, gloves and cosmetics". Here's the official photo of this Pyongyang innovative hightech traffic control device:

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Nice improvement for road safety indeed! No need for traffic lights!
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Old September 8th, 2009, 04:36 PM   #171
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its dangerous to put pretty girls in the middle of the road...

fortunately there are so few cars that the probability of collisions remains very low...
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Old September 8th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #172
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Three years ago there was a little scandal in Poland related to North Korea. Journalists found out, that NK welders work in shipyard. They were not allowed to speak to anyone else than their "guide and translator" (member of Labour Party, only one allowed to contacts with Poles and other foreigners), couldn't leave their apartments, guys commuted by special vans and worked for 10, 12 or more hours a day. Special NK company was paid about 600 euros per month for each worker from which est. 15 euros were later paid to those welders (fifteen!). The rest was taken by NK government. People were specially selected, had to be 100% loyal with families back in NK - to ensure they wouldn't try to escape "families were taken care of by korean government".

Abut vehicles - import was restricted till recently, when some number of late model japan cars were brought into NK. Nowadays private cars are allowed under certain conditions, but of course very few people can afford one. Haven't seen even single one photo of traffic lights in Pyongyang - at least those chicks in uniforms have jobs
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Old September 9th, 2009, 03:14 PM   #173
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They build bulky fly-overs instead of making a one-level intersection with traffic lights mostly!
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Old September 9th, 2009, 08:03 PM   #174
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They build bulky fly-overs instead of making a one-level intersection with traffic lights mostly!
They can not afford the electricity to have them ...
There was a good film about the DPRK by a Bulgarian journalist - Elena Yoncheva. It is calle d "The "Juche" era": even th years in Korea are counted from 1912- the birthday of the older Kim - now they are in year 98 of Juche...
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Old April 18th, 2010, 06:56 AM   #175
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I guess it would be impossible to have a thread on North Korean highways or anything else related to North Korea without involving a huge political discussion?
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Old April 18th, 2010, 07:19 AM   #176
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I guess it would be impossible to have a thread on North Korean highways or anything else related to North Korea without involving a huge political discussion?
That is correct. The roads are impressive when you consider that an evil leader utilized slave labor to build them.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 12:59 PM   #177
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It also really works if you post such a comment over 7 months after the original discussion
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Old April 21st, 2010, 04:46 PM   #178
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It also really works if you post such a comment over 7 months after the original discussion
No reason to believe the discussion would have changed nature when continued
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Old April 21st, 2010, 06:05 PM   #179
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I dont think this was posted before.
Highway Pyongyang - Mt Myohyang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRKi...eature=related
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Old June 1st, 2010, 05:14 PM   #180
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Busy motorway in NK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKLIE...eature=related

Is this real or fake?

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