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Old August 26th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #201
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The downside of stone pavement is that they create unreasonably high noise levels. They shouldn't be used in streets with traffic volumes over 2,000 imo.
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Old August 30th, 2009, 06:02 AM   #202
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2000 per hour or per day ???


Just found some pictures of the early times:


Some roads in old time Lisboa(portugal):


The Eixo Norte-Sul is missing (north-south axis is a major freeway)

In 1852 ... or is it 1952???:


In 1945 (a unexpected day with snow in sunny lisbon):


In the XXI century it looks like this:





The A5 motorway as it was in 1944 (don't ask about the numbering because it was called "a autoestrada" (the motorway) and it carried a National road number

[nacional 1- nacional 19 were the main roads (pretty much dating from the roman era) , 101-119 the secondary and from 201 to whichever ocurred the local roads]

Notice the dates ... the main problem with this country today was precisely that this sort of thing was happening here in the 1939-1945 period ... the resto of the world remembers those years not as years of prosperity ... in fact quite the contrary.

A more ancient photo (early 40's):


Other photos of the Lisboa blizard (1945)





Those empty fields nowadays look like this:

And notice that these buildings are PRECISELY under the flying path of the Lisboa Airport main runway.

In the other extremities of town this was just being finished (complete new avenues in the 40's):


The Cascais railway in 1940:


One of the "new sewers" of Lisboa ... most people traveling at surface level in the city don't know that most main roads carry HUGE sewers under them ... some 20 meters wide.


The "avenida do aterro" (landfill avenue) wich was a long stretch of land reclaimed from the Tajo river when they build the cascais railway:


A drawing from 191x (? all the area was reclaimed form the river ... it used to have sandy beaches there ... and the harbour can handle post-panamax cargo ships and anithing bigger than that so it's at least 20m deep near the wall)


(to be continued)
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Old August 30th, 2009, 07:42 AM   #203
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Some "looking-down" maps/photos of the area:

1909: (municipal map)


2009(?) (in google earth)


As you can see both areas above are really close to each other (2008 pic):

The A5 viaduct today with the Eixo N-S underneath:

The old housing surrounded y (not so)hig rises:

The modern railway station:


Alcantara river being turned into a SEWER ... notice that theres no A5 viaduct either.
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Old August 30th, 2009, 03:16 PM   #204
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Nice pics but some are not visible
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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:12 PM   #205
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Nie wiem czy dobrze rozumiem ale myślę, że chodzi Ci o odcinek A4 od węzła Prądy (A4/DK46) na zachód do Nysy Kłodzkiej.
Tak, pamiętam tę drogę i mam nawet jedno zdjęcie:


A4 circa 1991 w okolicach Czterech Stawów, widok w kierunku Wrocławia.
Widoczny wiadukt to droga lokalna Niemodlin-Lewin Brzeski.





Nigdy o tym nie słyszałem, tzn, o jakiejś 'drodze wojskowej'.
Do czasu remontu węzeł Brzeg wyglądał tak i był dostępny dla ruchu kołowego:


A4 węzeł Brzeg circa 1991, widok w kierunku Wrocławia



Natomiast trochę dalej za węzłem w kierunku Wrocławia była tam oryginalna, przedwojenna, niemiecka autobahna:


A4 okolice węzła Brzezimierz circa 1991, widok w kierunku Wrocławia


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This newish motorway is E22 built in 80s between Brzeg and Opole

This old reichsautobahn is between Wroclaw and Brzeg, obviously it's history now, these pics were taken in 1991
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 05:04 AM   #206
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 06:12 AM   #207
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Brazil
Via Anchieta Highway (SP-150)
São Paulo to Santos


01. Under construction (40’s)


02. Under construction (40’s)


03. 1947


04. 1953


05. 1953


06. 1953


07. 1953


08. 1953


09. 1953


10. 1953


11. 1953


12. 1953


13. 50’s


14. 50’s


15. 50’s


16. 60’s


17. 1968


18. 70’s


19. Largest mass traffic accident in Brazil (3 km, 120 cars) June 28, 1977


20. June 28, 1977


21. June 28, 1977


19. Holyday (80's)


20. Holyday (2007)


21. Holyday (2007)


22. Today


23. Today


24. Today

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Old October 22nd, 2009, 07:06 PM   #208
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20. Holyday (2007)
Strange situation. 1,5 tollbooth?
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 07:11 PM   #209
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That's probably the Imigrantes, or Anchieta freeways, which are completely reversible.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 08:02 PM   #210
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Well, it looks like that some cars pass a booth once, and some twice. They all seem to be in function.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 08:17 PM   #211
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Normally, this toll station is used for both directions. It seems like the rightmost tollbooths of the row in the back are now not used, but they have to pay the tolls at the second booth, which would normally be used in the other direction.

That's what I make of it.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 08:56 PM   #212
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Normally, this toll station is used for both directions. It seems like the rightmost tollbooths of the row in the back are now not used, but they have to pay the tolls at the second booth
And who will stop them in avoiding them?
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 08:58 PM   #213
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You can't, there seems to be some kind of movable cable barrier between them.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 05:25 AM   #214
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That's probably the Imigrantes, or Anchieta freeways, which are completely reversible.
Brazil
Imigrantes Highway (SP-160)
São Paulo to Santos


- Ascending lanes (opened in 1976) - reversible

- Descending lanes - just for cars (opened in 2002) - reversible


01. Ascending (1976)


02. Ascending (90's)


03. Ascending (today)


04. 2002


05. Today


06. Descending (today)
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You can't, there seems to be some kind of movable cable barrier between them.
You are right, I didn't see that at first, but now I do.
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In my opinion, the Anchieta and Imigrantes are on the top list of interesting freeways in the world. The descent from the Serra do Mar (São Paulo) to Santos/Praia Grande is just amazing.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 12:53 PM   #217
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First motorway stretch in Yugoslavia and the bridhge "Gazela" Belgrade




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First motorway stretch in Yugoslavia
With a speed limit of 80 km/h (49 mph). I didn't know there were bus stops along it. Are they still present?
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New Belgrade roads

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With a speed limit of 80 km/h (49 mph). I didn't know there were bus stops along it. Are they still present?
Speed limits are the same as on Vienna tangential motorway the main motorway that connects Czechia, Austria, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Italy, Slovenia, Balkans.

There are service roads along motorway that have bus stops.
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