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Old July 21st, 2010, 03:55 AM   #261
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:19 AM   #262
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Yes, it`s nice city, in fact I realy love it but it`s not so beautifle as your awesome capital Budapest. I am realy happy to go there (after 2 weeks) on this thursday.

Btw, big part of old Pressburg`s city was damage/rebuild mostly because of roads and other transport solutions.

I like very much bratislava, but that road trough old city centre is the biggest stupidity I've ever seen. the bridge looks nice though, but the road then...
why did they build so?
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 05:43 AM   #263
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Some pics of I-94 in Detroit

1949 building the Ford Fwy throught midtown 8 years later when Interstate Act was signed it would designated I-94








Notice the stairs to the freeway bus stop




From the overpass in the first pic above in 1955


This interchange between M-10 and I-94 was first freeway to freeway interchange in the US




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Old July 22nd, 2010, 01:48 PM   #264
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It's probably the first motorway in history:

I beg to differ.
This section of the Milano-Torino was opened in 1932, but the first Italian autostrada, and probably one of the first in the world, was the Milano-Laghi (Milan-Lakes), in 1924:



This picture is about its grand opening.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 01:52 PM   #265
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If I'm correct, those early Autostrada's did not feature separation of directions (like the 1920's New York Parkways) and can therefor not be considered true motorways. The first motorway to have at least 2x2 lanes, grade separation and direction separation intended for public use was Autobahn A5 Frankfurt - Darmstadt in 1935.

The term "Autobahn" has also been used for the current A555 Köln - Bonn which opened in 1932, but also did not feature separation of directions.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:12 PM   #266
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If I'm correct, those early Autostrada's did not feature separation of directions (like the 1920's New York Parkways) and can therefor not be considered true motorways.
Yeah, you're probably right. The definition of autostrada back then was different: "a road (strada) built expressly for cars (auto)"

Until 2001 in Italy there still were parts of A6 Turin - Savona with a single carriageway
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 03:04 PM   #267
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If I'm correct, those early Autostrada's did not feature separation of directions (like the 1920's New York Parkways) and can therefor not be considered true motorways. The first motorway to have at least 2x2 lanes, grade separation and direction separation intended for public use was Autobahn A5 Frankfurt - Darmstadt in 1935.
Nothing in the New York area had separation of directions before 1935? I'm not doubting you, but that surprises me.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 03:12 PM   #268
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I believe it became common in the second half of the 1930's. For example the Southern State Parkway was built eastward over time, and initially didn't feature a median until they got further on Long Island (somewhere in the late 1930's).

It is possible that bridges did have a median, which are now included in the general expressway system. But I doubt if they were considered as such back then.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 03:19 PM   #269
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I believe it became common in the second half of the 1930's. For example the Southern State Parkway was built eastward over time, and initially didn't feature a median until they got further on Long Island (somewhere in the late 1930's).

It is possible that bridges did have a median, which are now included in the general expressway system. But I doubt if they were considered as such back then.
I just came across (at nycroads.com) a 1936 photo of the West Side Highway, with a divider in it. That road was opened around 1930. I've seen, somewhere, years ago, a photo of it when it was brand new and I believe it was divided. Can't spend another minute on this now....
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 01:20 AM   #270
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I have read a number of eastcoast roads were already divided in the 1920-ies, but not completely grade-seperated.

In 1927 grade seperation was still not common, as roadplans were still in a juvenile stadium those days... http://www.autosnelwegen.nl/asw/galerie/aks13.jpg

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Old July 23rd, 2010, 03:37 AM   #271
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I have read a number of eastcoast roads were already divided in the 1920-ies, but not completely grade-seperated.

In 1927 grade seperation was still not common, as roadplans were still in a juvenile stadium those days... http://www.autosnelwegen.nl/asw/galerie/aks13.jpg

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Well, my line of thinking was that lots of limited-access roads in the New York area - Long Island and north suburban parkway systems, some expressways in the city itself, some roads in New Jersey - were open by 1935, and I'd be surprised (although not very) if they were all undivided.

The first real cloverleaf in the US opened in 1928 or '29 near Woodbridge, New Jersey. It's now the junction of US 1/9 and NJ 35, and no longer a cloverleaf.

While we're on this, "the Power Broker," a biography of Robert Moses, who was the main idea man behind the New York area highway system from the 20s into the 60s, is fascinating reading, if long....

PS: I can't open that JPEG. "No deeplinking," even if you're the owner of the site, apparently. :-) I'll try it the other way....

PS2: Okay, I've seen the picture. Ouch! That interchange is still there, but presumably turns that ought to be prohobited are: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...13711&t=k&z=16. I didn't know Lake Shore Drive was that old.

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Old July 23rd, 2010, 03:55 AM   #272
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This is the most stupid thing I ever heard of. You can'z click a link, yo you hafe to go to the websoite, were you waste your time searching for the pic what you don't know what it looks like. Thumbs down, autosnelwegen.nl!
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 05:14 AM   #273
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 09:44 AM   #274
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I like very much bratislava, but that road trough old city centre is the biggest stupidity I've ever seen. the bridge looks nice though, but the road then...
why did they build so?
It was needed to connect new city part Petržalka (130 000 inh.) with old town, there was just one bridge in Bratislava before.

so again..

in the past





now with road called "Staromestská ulica" - in English "Oldtown street"



near the church





now in the opposite direction

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Old July 23rd, 2010, 08:47 PM   #275
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This is the most stupid thing I ever heard of. You can'z click a link, yo you hafe to go to the websoite, were you waste your time searching for the pic what you don't know what it looks like. Thumbs down, autosnelwegen.nl!
Just copy it in an empty browser tab, problem solved.
The site has a protection against deeplinking because the traffic isn't free for the site-owner.
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 10:58 PM   #276
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It was needed to connect new city part Petržalka (130 000 inh.) with old town, there was just one bridge in Bratislava before.

so again..

Why do they not sink the motorway to underpasses? It would be possible to rehabilitate the city above the underpass.


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Old July 23rd, 2010, 11:57 PM   #277
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It was build up in communist state so urbanism was not that good, they didn`t care about some crapy and shanty old town.

Now there are many plans to rebuilt this area.

Btw, it`s not a motorway, just normal road in a city.

like another one near the main railway station (Hlavná Stanica)

Šancová ulica - literally - "Chance street"



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It was build up in communist state so urbanism was not that good, they didn`t care about some crapy and shanty old town.

Now there are many plans to rebuilt this area.

Btw, it`s not a motorway, just normal road in a city.

like another one near the main railway station (Hlavná Stanica)

Šancová ulica - literally - "Chance street"



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It was build up in communist state so urbanism was not that good, they didn`t care about some crapy and shanty old town.
The modernistic destruction was not a communist privilege. The modernisation raged in many Western European cities!

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Šancová ulica - literally - "Chance street"
This is Sánc (Schanz) street! Sánc/Schanz = trench/fortification. The fortification was built up in 1775 and protected the suburbs. The street's and the fortification's line is identical.
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I don`t know about any fortification built up in these parts of Old town in the 1775. Fortification of the old town was damaged by Maria Theresa in 1775. So not built up and not in this area.

just black marked area - http://www.culture.gov.sk/pk/sl/mksr/dok01/rez7.gif
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