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Old September 13th, 2011, 11:13 PM   #421
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3rd Ring (pre and during (re)construction, from oldmos.ru)


2000 (Luzhniki section u/c)


2000 (Luzhniki, newly-opened section)


2000 (Leninskiy prospekt interchange u/c)


2000 (Leninskiy prospekt)


2000 (Vavilova, intercange u/c)


1963 (Avtozavodsky bridge)


1980 (Gavrikova tunnel u/c)


1975 (Rizhskaya)


1975 (Rizhskaya)


1999 (Rizhskaya, reconstruction)


1980s (Savelovskaya)


1998 (Leningradka interchange)


1999 (Leningradka interchange)


1999 (N. Maslovka, still with trams)
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Как только проедят напечатанные амерами баблосы, нефтя будет падвацать, хас папиисяд, а толяр - пасто диривянных. И ражко сразу развалиццо. Патаму шо она сичаз разваливаиццо, хотя нефтя ещё не падвацать
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Old September 13th, 2011, 11:29 PM   #422
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1998 (Leningradka interchange)
Why is changing lanes prohibited here ?

Nice pictures, by the way
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Old September 13th, 2011, 11:46 PM   #423
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Why is changing lanes prohibited here ?
Cause it was/is a tunnel entrance/exit ramp
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Как только проедят напечатанные амерами баблосы, нефтя будет падвацать, хас папиисяд, а толяр - пасто диривянных. И ражко сразу развалиццо. Патаму шо она сичаз разваливаиццо, хотя нефтя ещё не падвацать
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Old January 4th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #424
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The "Autostrada dei Laghi", opened in 1924 was probably the first motorway in the world. It had only 2 lanes back then.

Original map of that period: nowadays A8, A9 and A8\A26 follow the exact same route.


Opening celebrations, 1924


Beginning of A8 in Milan with toll booth. Pic taken in 1929.


A9 near Como in 1929.


Other pics from http://www.storiadimilano.it/citta/m...autostrade.htm

Milan toll booth


A8-A9 intersection in Lainate




The Milan - Turin motorway (now A4) opened in 1932: here the halfway point ("metŕ strada") between the two cities.


In 1947 near Novara opened the first motorway rest area in the world (Autogrill Pavesi). Turin - Milan motorway was upgraded to 2x2 in 1962.
Pics from http://www.veveri.it/img/storia/pav4.jpg
1948:

1949.

1955: still the old pre-war Italian flag

1962: when the motorway was upgraded to 2x2, was completed the bridge structure containing the restaurant. Other 11 similar rest areas were built across Italy in the following years. In 1970s they started to build two rest areas, one for every direction with no bridge.



View from above.

Advertisement above the motorway, when it was half-profile only.


In 1935 opened the Genoa - Serravalle motorway, now A7.


Some pics of Italian "autostrade" in 1950s and 1960s.
Pics and info here: http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/autosole.htm

A10 Genoa - Savona opened as half-profile in 1956 and as full-profile in 1964: here some pics before duplication:


Here the highway has 3 lanes, the central one for overtaking in both directions:

It was 2+1 in central Genoa:




The viaduct over Polcevera river in Genoa opened in 1967:






A7 Milan - Genoa opened in 1960 already as 2x2 but without hard shoulders and crashbarriers:

Toll booth on A7 near Genoa: 5-digit Italian licence plates are extremely rare today, even in smaller provinces.

Beginning of the A7 in the outskirt of Milan:


"Autostrada del Sole" Milan - Neaples was built between 1956 and 1964, already as 2x2 with hard shoulders. The first section, between Milan and Parma opened in 1958, being the first 2x2 motorway of Italy. Here a fuel advertisement from 1964 celebrating the completition of the motorway:


GRA (Rome's ringroad) in 1962: 1+1 road with at-grade intersections.
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Old January 4th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #425
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I thought that G.R.A was built as 2x2 road at the beginning
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Old January 4th, 2012, 04:55 PM   #426
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Very nice Pictures Funny to see all those Oldtimers on the Road
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Old January 4th, 2012, 07:33 PM   #427
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Very nice pictures. I really like the picture of the viaduc in Genova.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #428
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Great photos! But it's disputable, if those were really motorways. I guess in those times it was enough, if a road was wide and straight (Belgrade-Zagreb road was also called a motorway from the beginning, even though it had 2 lanes at first (it didn't have the motorway sign though)). But what if there was such a road somewhere else in the world already before 1924, but we don't know about it, because people didn't call it "motorway"?
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Old January 5th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #429
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Great photos! But it's disputable, if those were really motorways. I guess in those times it was enough, if a road was wide and straight (Belgrade-Zagreb road was also called a motorway from the beginning, even though it had 2 lanes at first (it didn't have the motorway sign though)). But what if there was such a road somewhere else in the world already before 1924, but we don't know about it, because people didn't call it "motorway"?
Those road were called motorway back then because, although being 1+1, they were built specifically for motorized traffic and not-motorized traffic wasn't allowed. Plus, they were tolled and had no at-grade intersections with local roads. No road anywhere in the world was build before with those characteristics.

Some pics of "Autostrada del Sole" (A1) in 1968:
source: http://maggiolinomane.blogspot.com/2...68-tra-le.html

"Aglio Est" rest area between Bologna and Florence.


Near Magliano Sabina.


Queue at Benevento toll booth.


Monteporzio Catone exit, between Rome and Naples.


Near Florence.


First toll booth near Milan (Melegnano).



Near Orte.


Another old pic of "Aglio" rest area on A1.


Other pics of Italian motorways from early 70s:

A1 near Florence: 3x2 without hard shoulder for a short section.


A1 near Florence in 1970.


Florence toll booth.


A9 Como - Swiss border in 1972.


A4 Milan - Bergamo.


A14 in Apulia (km signs style didn't changed in 40 years!).


"Teano" rest area between Rome and Naples.


Building the Brenner motorway (italian side) in the 70s.


Novara toll booth on Milan - Turin motorway in 1930s.


Novara bypass in 1980s: now roaside yellow lines aren't used anymore.


Beginning of "Autostrada dei Laghi" in Milan in 1959: the second carriaggeway was already needed.


Same place in 1929.


And in 1960.


Billboard from 1930 celebrating the construction of Milan - Bergamo motorway.


Alfa Romeo safety test in 1965, Milan.


Workers of "Autostrada del Sole" having their lunch in 1960: looking at their clothes and equipment, that pic seem taken more than a century ago!


Celebrations at the opening of the complete "Autostrada del Sole" in 1964.


Beginning of "Autostrada del Sole in Milan, late 1950s.


A11 Firenze Mare in 1961: it was built as 1+1 in 1933.


The original 1+1 Firenze Mare through a Roman aquaduct near Lucca.


This is a PDF e-book about the history of Italian motorways. It's in Italian only but full of interesting pics.
http://www.autostrade.it/pdf/la-nost...ria/parte1.pdf
http://www.autostrade.it/pdf/la-nost...ria/parte2.pdf

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Old January 5th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #430
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i had no idea that Italy had yello edge lines Yugoslavia copied it from you probably.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #431
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Great again. Italystf, do you perhaps know when the first motorway with (at least) 4 lanes was opened in Italy? Also, when did Italy start using the motorway sign?
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Great again. Italystf, do you perhaps know when the first motorway with (at least) 4 lanes was opened in Italy? Also, when did Italy start using the motorway sign?
Our first 4 lanes motorway was A1 between Milan and Parma except the Po bridge opened on 7 december 1958. No idea when motorway sign was introduced, neither A numbers.
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Our first 4 lanes motorway was A1 between Milan and Parma except the Po bridge opened on 7 december 1958.
Wow, that's 34 years after 1924. So Autostrada dei Laghi (or some other) wasn't widened to 4 lanes before 1958?
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Wow, that's 34 years after 1924. So Autostrada dei Laghi (or some other) wasn't widened to 4 lanes before 1958?
Yes. I can't find the exact date but it was somewhere in early 60s. In 1960, according to Wikipedia, opened the link with CH. Turin - Milan was upgraded in 1962.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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i had no idea that Italy had yello edge lines Yugoslavia copied it from you probably.
Not only yellow lines, signage was directly copied too. I remember that sign in lower right corner being on Slovenian A10 (now A1) still until about 2000.

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A1 near Florence: 3x2 without hard shoulder for a short section.
And design of climbing lanes in Slovenia is (sadly!) still exactly that as in this picture on completely new motorways.
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And design of climbing lanes in Slovenia is (sadly!) still exactly that as in this picture on completely new motorways.
What's the problem with the climbing lanes?
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Border between Italy and Territorio Libero di Trieste (1977-54) near Duino:




I-YU border in Fiume\Rijeka before WWII.


Some pics of the I-YU border after WWII:








Border crossing "Casa Rossa" near Gorizia during Ten Days War.

Soldiers helping tourists to leave Yugoslavia at the breakup of the war.

other pics: http://www.linkiesta.it/foto-slovenia

Opening celebrations of A1 Milan - Bologna in 1959
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLknH...eature=related

Driving from Milan to Stresa in 1953 through "Autostrada dei Laghi"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6RxdzSz9eQ

Opening of the A3 Salerno - Reggio Calabria in 1974 (note the A17 sign, thad doesn't exist anymore).
http://www.mneo.tv/1974.-Dopo-20-ann...-0-0-0-85.html

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Very interesting. This one also (I've finally found the old-style car on our expressway sign):

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What's the problem with the climbing lanes?
There should be a hardshoulder for full length because there is a higher probability of broken vehicles. Actually instead of climbing lane there should be a normal profile with a third driving lane on the inside (like in Austria).
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I agree, climbing lanes are too often cheap solutions that take away the much-needed shoulder. Another issue with climbing lanes is that the shoulder driving lane ends at the top of the hill, causing trucks to be forced to the left lanes at a slow speed. This often results in weird manoeuvres and dangerous situations. Adding a third lane in the median is much better indeed. They do that in Germany too, but not in France.

Situations like these are dangerous, no shoulder and sharp turns, hardly any time to react to broken down vehicles. (A75 in southern France)
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