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Old October 21st, 2012, 10:50 PM   #541
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Is there a particular reason why the British motorway network developed one to two decades later than in other industrialized countries? The Netherlands already realized one sixth of its motorway network by 1958.
Post war austerity I imagine. Apart from welfare, the post-war governments were quite weary of spending and wasting for quite a long time

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That's true. I still can remember some of them. It had been used in Poland until 1983 and then, the shape was transformed to the currently used octagonal sign. The new sign was widely commented within all adults I knew and some of my colleagues back then.

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I know of two of them, one quite near where I live in London at the end of a private road and one in Figueira which is no where near a junction
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Old October 21st, 2012, 11:13 PM   #542
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I know of two of them, one quite near where I live in London at the end of a private road and one in Figueira which is no where near a junction
There is one near I live too, plus another removed 2-3 years ago. They were abolished in 1992, weird to think that the ubiquitous octagonal sign is only 20 years old here.
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 12:58 AM   #543
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You can still see them here in some old industrial zones where they aren't that important because of (s)low traffic.
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 03:19 AM   #544
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I was not aware that Fiat 850 was built in Bulgaria. I always thought it was imported to Poland from Yugoslavija as Zastavas were.
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 05:49 PM   #545
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Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho (1960) features some really interesting footage of pre-interstate American highways. Some screenshots of a suicide-lane highway:









Didn't even know these roads existed in the US. Does anyone know where this might have been shot?
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 07:14 PM   #546
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054215/locations

I've never seen the movie, but this description fits those images best.

Route 99 of the Fresno-Bakersfield Highway, California, USA
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 10:07 PM   #547
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This is a really fantastic photo!
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 12:36 AM   #548
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I've never seen the movie, but this description fits those images best.

Route 99 of the Fresno-Bakersfield Highway, California, USA
I see. Looks like that road is now twinned and there are no remains of the old layout.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #549
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An interesting catalog of historical photos from betweeen the end of 19th century and first half of 20th century in the South Bohemia. The photos comprise all sorts of activities with one section devoted to transportation. The site is available in czech and german. Link to the section devoted to transportation here.

Some pictures (the datation is quite unclear however, it basically the lower the negative number the older should the picture be (under 200 => before 1900, but not allways):

Paving of an unknown road possibly +-10 years 1920 .






Road in Kaplitz? most probably during the WWII


A bus in 1935


A bus in 1958


"local traffic" in winter 1947 possibly a funeral?

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Old October 25th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #550
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Post war austerity I imagine. Apart from welfare, the post-war governments were quite weary of spending and wasting for quite a long time
Britain also ran up huge debts in fighting the Second World War. After the war, governments had to try and pay back those debts and so had to try and limit spending. Construction was very much focused on housing, both to replace homes destroyed in the war and also to rehouse people who were living in old slum buildings.
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But why didn't Britain initiate a motorway-building programme in the 1930s like Germany and the Netherlands?
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The British government didn't do a whole lot in the 1930s, apart from building council estates.

But the main way used to get out of the Depression was the try to get people to build houses, which is why there are so many 1930s houses rather than public investment
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The British government didn't do a whole lot in the 1930s, apart from building council estates.

But the main way used to get out of the Depression was the try to get people to build houses, which is why there are so many 1930s houses rather than public investment
I thought most of the 1930s developments were private rather than public and that there wasn't much state spending to try and get out of the Depression, unlike in the USA and some European countries.
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they were produced in Sarajevo. other western cars produced in YU: Opel Kadett in Serbia (Kikinda), Renault 4 and 5 in Slovenia (Novo mesto)
Citroen in Slovenia as well
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I thought most of the 1930s developments were private rather than public and that there wasn't much state spending to try and get out of the Depression, unlike in the USA and some European countries.
Exactly, most of the houses were private.
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New York City, Canal Street. 1973

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I expected NY having better roads than this even 40 years ago. With those vintage vehicles and buildings it looks like L'Havana today
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Canal Street is a main connector across lower Manhattan (the Holland Tunnel, to New Jersey, at one end and the Manhattan Bridge, to Brooklyn, at the other) and gets a lot of heavy-duty use (look at all those trucks). Which doesn't excuse anything, of course. But New York was having financial trouble in those days.

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Canal Street is a main connector across lower Manhattan (the Holland Tunnel, to New Jersey, at one end and the Manhattan Bridge, to Brooklyn, at the other) and gets a lot of heavy-duty use (look at all those trucks). Which doesn't excuse anything, of course. But New York was having financial trouble in those days.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...13711&t=m&z=16
All the world had financial troubles in 1973 because of the oil crisis. In Italy for a period private motorized traffic was banned on all roads on Sundays. In this occasion motorway speed limits were introduced for the first time to save fuel (before the 70s most cars weren't capable to drive over 120-130 kph anyway, so there was no need to introduce speed limits in our first motorways).
For many European countries, the 1973 recession represented the end of the post-war economical boom.
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