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Old September 18th, 2013, 01:44 PM   #701
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Old September 18th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #702
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Old September 18th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #703
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Why Germany has pre-1938 borders here?
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Old September 18th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #704
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Very interesting report, thanks.
I wonder why Austria didn't built motorways until the late 1970s, while most European countries started well before.
It's very weird for us today to see all those classic cars overloaded with luggage. Aparently it was common in the past to carry stuff on car's roof because most cars had a small trunk. I didn't expected that road travel was so deadly beck them, probably because of a mixture of unsafe vehicles (compared to modern ones), bad roads and lax traffic rules enforcement.
It's also interesting to see how a such large group of migrants with a different cultural and religious background managed to integrate in the European society, much better than what happens with immigrants today.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 03:44 PM   #705
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Interesting direction signs. When did Serbia change it?
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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #706
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Interesting direction signs. When did Serbia change it?
I would say Yugoslavia, we switched from blue to yellow signs in 1980s. You can find somewhere even today old blue signs from 1970s, usualy on a blue-white poles. This one still stands in Zrenjanin:

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Old September 18th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #707
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Very interesting report, thanks.
I wonder why Austria didn't built motorways until the late 1970s, while most European countries started well before.
What?

As far as I know, Austria has had autobahns since that late 1930s
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There were only two short stretches near Salzburg, built as German Reichsautobahn. Austria started building motorways from 1960 onward.
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Very interesting report, thanks.
I wonder why Austria didn't built motorways until the late 1970s, while most European countries started well before.
Well Austria is not exactly Denmark or Netherlands, there are mountains here. Also another routes were priority "Drang nach Osten" heheh
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There were only two short stretches near Salzburg, built as German Reichsautobahn. Austria started building motorways from 1960 onward.
1960 is a bit different to late 70s though
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1960 is a bit different to late 70s though
So called West Autobahn (A1) was the first motorway, or Autobahn, to be built in Austria, originating from plans drawn up for the so-called Reichsautobahn system. It was built in period 1958 - 1967.
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Most of Austria doesn't look like pianura friulana.
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Only about a quarter of Austria can be considered low lying, and only 32% of the country is below 500 metres. Vienna is 4% and only 16,59% is arable land.
35 mountains are above 3500m.
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making fun of the state of Austrian roads

And now everybody see Austria as very orderly...
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And now everybody see Austria as very orderly...
Apart from their road signage...
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IMHO, Austria with its infrastructure is the last country to making fun of
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Why Germany has pre-1938 borders here?
Didn't have pre-'38 borders, it's divided between West and East... the borded of former German territory east of Oder-Neisser linie is becuase at the time it was believed than that territory was only occupied from Poland, not annexed and they (the Germans) think that returned when the cold war will finished.... (unfortunately wasn't real).

Also in Italy was the same, at the end of WW2 was created the Free Territory of Trieste that included the actual province of Trieste plus some Italian inhabitans of actual Slovenia and Istria... until 1953-54 Italy believed that at the end of anglo-american occupation will return to Italy, instead was not defined and was invaded both from Italy and Yugoslavia and the actual border was defined in 1975...
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Didn't have pre-'38 borders, it's divided between West and East... the borded of former German territory east of Oder-Neisser linie is becuase at the time it was believed than that territory was only occupied from Poland, not annexed and they (the Germans) think that returned when the cold war will finished.... (unfortunately wasn't real).

Also in Italy was the same, at the end of WW2 was created the Free Territory of Trieste that included the actual province of Trieste plus some Italian inhabitans of actual Slovenia and Istria... until 1953-54 Italy believed that at the end of anglo-american occupation will return to Italy, instead was not defined and was invaded both from Italy and Yugoslavia and the actual border was defined in 1975...
Sorry for a spicy question, but is there any German rejoin movement to in western Poland?
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Sorry for a spicy question, but is there any German rejoin movement to in western Poland?
Both actually than at there time, there wasn't a rejoin movement in that part of Poland because was inhabited by refugees who arrived from annexed territories of Soviet Union...
In Germany, I think that maybe there is a German rejoin movement... it's understood that the NPD was them back with any discussion he he
but I don't know not-extremistic movement that want to re-joined...

The pangerman question is delicate...
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Also in Italy was the same, at the end of WW2 was created the Free Territory of Trieste that included the actual province of Trieste plus some Italian inhabitans of actual Slovenia and Istria... until 1953-54 Italy believed that at the end of anglo-american occupation will return to Italy, instead was not defined and was invaded both from Italy and Yugoslavia and the actual border was defined in 1975...
The B zone was not occupied by Anglo-Americans but by Yugoslavs. The current border (actual has a different meaning in English) was defined already in 1954 with the London Memorandum. The A-zone (Italian) lost few sq km in favour of Yugoslavia.
With the 1975 Osimo treaty Italy and Yugoslavia renounced to further territorial claims against each other but this treaty didn't affected borders (nor it affected everyday life since those lands were already fully integrated in Italy and Yugoslavia).

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Both actually than at there time, there wasn't a rejoin movement in that part of Poland because was inhabited by refugees who arrived from annexed territories of Soviet Union...
In Germany, I think that maybe there is a German rejoin movement... it's understood that the NPD was them back with any discussion he he
but I don't know not-extremistic movement that want to re-joined...

The pangerman question is delicate...
I think that Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia are for Gemans like Istria, Fiume and Zara for Italians. Those territory had strong historical connection with Germany\Italy but since WWII the German\Italian presence it's marginal, replaced respectively with Poles\Russians and Slovenes\Croats.
There are far-right movements that still claim a "greater Germany" or "greater Italy" but this is very anachronistic in the XXI century European socio-political context.
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