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Old September 19th, 2013, 06:30 PM   #721
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Boundary between the Free Territory of Trieste (Duino-Aurisina / Devin-Nabrežina) and Italy (Monfalcone).

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Old September 19th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #722
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Are there still some artefacts from border checks? (e.g. booths etc)
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Old September 19th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #723
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Trieste border area between A and B

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Boundary between the Free Territory of Trieste (Duino-Aurisina / Devin-Nabrežina) and Italy (Monfalcone).

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No, both of them refers to the same border, between TLT (Zone A) and Italy, near Monfalcone.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #724
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Old September 19th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #725
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White plates are from TLT, black ones are Italian.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #726
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Are there still some artefacts from border checks? (e.g. booths etc)
It appears that above border crossing was in this area
https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.79349...49.29,,0,-6.44

And another one here:
https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.79434...40.14,,0,-2.63

Those are only two roads connecting Italy and TLT (apart from A4 motorway which was built decades later)
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Old September 19th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #727
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That's correct, but I can't find those rocks...

EDIT: Maybe here? There's an abandoned place on the right...
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:01 PM   #728
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That's correct, but I can't find those rocks...
Umm, they're right there in the first link. There's also some old pavement on the right. Also this.
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Old September 19th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #729
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today's view of the same place
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Old September 20th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #730
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Interesting direction signs. When did Serbia change it?
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I would say Yugoslavia, we switched from blue to yellow signs in 1980s. You can find somewhere even today old blue signs from 1970s, usualy on a blue-white poles. This one still stands in Zrenjanin:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/87911542.jpg
There are also some old blue signs in Croatia, as remnants from last times

eastern exit from Zagreb (former Autoput)

near Zabok

Zagreb, Slavonska av. (former Autoput)

Veprinac exit on B8 - this sign is even older from the previous ones, because it has capital letters. The sign is from 1980/81, when the road was built. Still, this one should be blue even today, because it's on expressway
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Old September 20th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #731
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This one may be the former border plaza on the SS14
https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.79513...,,0,14.16&z=19

Could this one being the former TLT-YU border?
https://maps.google.com/?ll=45.31612...,,0,22.11&z=15
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old September 20th, 2013, 01:55 AM   #732
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Did a border between TLT (zone B) and YU really exist? I thought that zone B was de-facto part of Yugoslavia!
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Old September 20th, 2013, 02:23 AM   #733
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Did a border between TLT (zone B) and YU really exist? I thought that zone B was de-facto part of Yugoslavia!
Don't know, I asked to Croatian forumers. But initially the B zone used its own currency and not the Yugoslav dinar (while the A zone used the Italian lira), so it probably wasn't entirely Yugoslav.
People crossing from A to B were forced to covert some "Italian lire" into the "Yugoslav lire" that were valid only in the B zone. So, the Yugoslav government got Western currency.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old September 20th, 2013, 11:53 AM   #734
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i am not sure about that, because we can see here some stamps from FTT (STT -Serbo-croatian) they were YU stamps with only stamp on it STT and currency was dinar.







STT-VUJ(N)A meaning (Slobodna teritorija Trsta, vojna uprava Jugoslovenske (narodne) armije / Svobodni Tržaški Teritorji, Vojna Uprava Jugoslovenske (narodne) Armije = Free territory of Trieste, Military administration of Yugoslav (people's) Army)


And stamps without Yugoslavia only STT-VUJ(N)A (Dinar currency)



similar situation with Zone A



from 1946, before FTT was established.

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Old September 20th, 2013, 12:52 PM   #735
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Czechoslovakia was established in 28.11.1918 during the existence of Austria - Hungary which ceased to exist in 11.11.1918. Some fights of Bratislava between Czechoslovak an Hungarian army therefore took place. Finally, the city was divided along the Danube. Small part / right riverbank (Petržalka - Ligetfalu) bacame a part of Hungary and the rest of Bratislava (left riverbank) became a part of Czechoslovakia. That situation remained to 1919 when right riverbank rejoined Bratislava. During that period, border checks were established on the only bridge (now Old Bridge- Stary most).
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Border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary: Notice the old unofficial coat-of-arms of CS at the top of the bridge.


Border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary: Italian soldiers ensuring the protection of borders on the border-check booth. Usage of that CoA


Border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary: Unofficial (Czecho-)Slovak flag and Hungarian flag waving on the bridge



After the First Vienna Award and Munich Agreement, the right Danube riverbank became a part of Third Reich. Hence, the border checks were re-established for period 1938 - 1945.

Border between Third Reich and First Slovak state: Note the coat-of-arms of Slovak state usage of which was prohibited during strongest years of communism.


The bridge was blown up by retreating German army and seriously damaged. At that time, it was only bridge in Bratislava and hence was quickly repaired. Due to very bad condition, it was closed in 2009 for private cars (except public transport) and in 2010 for public transport as well. During short period, pedestrians were restricted too, but they are currently allowed to cross the bridge. Bridge is now the object of discussion about its reconstruction.


After the construction in 1890, the bridge was equipped by pair of toll houses changed to border houses in 1918-1919 and 1938-1945. Those houses are currently popular landmarks for "border freaks".

The one on the left riverbank become museum of borders:

The original sign with "first Slovak state" CoA and Colný Úrad/Zollamt/Douane writing from WW2 was re-installed there.






The second one on the right riverbank is popular restaurant

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Old September 20th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #736
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Helsinki western approach (road 51) in earlier days and currently.



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The current road 4/E75 of Finland in Lapland, 200 km north of the Arctic Circle.

The initial road in the year 1902, during the gold rush:



The current one:



(The road carries the name "Golden Route", as its sand base contains tiny gold fragments. It is assumed that the 30-km stretch from north of Vuotso contains several kilograms of gold.)
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Old September 20th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #738
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So what about that gold? They keep them there?
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Old September 20th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #739
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Similar situation with Zone B



from 1946, before FTT was established.

The Zone A was the Italian.

On the second stamp, below the black ink, there's written "Repubblica Sociale Italiana", a puppet state comprehending North-West and central Italy, formally independent and ruled by Mussolini but de facto controlled by the Third Reich. It existed between september 1943 and april 1945 and it was recognized only by Axis countries.
The value of the stamp was increased from 0,30ITL to 1,30ITL beause of postwar hyperinflation.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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SS1 "Via Aurelia" near Torrimpetra, north of Rome, likely 1950s-60s.
[IMG]http://t2.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWP_az-LvUyV9PUi7p6PnQRC2DnMImU3FMwwOQM0gUMexxCDTqWQ[/IMG]

SS9 "Via Emilia" near Piacenza


The SS9 "Via Emilia" through Modena in 1949. Until 1959 (A1 opening) all traffic between Milan and Bologna passed there


Via Emilia in 1930s


Old photos of the Via Aurelia near Bordighera, Liguria
http://www.bordighera.net/vc_viaaurelia.htm
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