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Old October 28th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #821
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Indeed! Mozambique, as well as Angola, were very developed overseas provinces (even more than 'Portugal metropolitano' - the name usually used to designate the original Portugueses borders in Europe). In part, this development was due the huge natural resources that these 2 former provinces had (and still have). Even people were more 'developed' than in european Portugal. If you look to the architecture of the houses, the city planning, everything is quite different from european Portugal. Although Portugal was a dictatorship, Angola and Mozambique had a different way of living. Much more open, more free... after the independence, almost 1 million Portuguese ran way from Africa back to Portugal. The way of thinking and being was so different that these 'african' Portugueses made a truly cultural revolution in the old grey Portugal.

And the major cities were always built from scratch! That's why you can find such perfectly aligned streets and avenues. Later I'll post more pictures of other cities.
That's very interesting!

What I see in the pictures is that people in Moçambique drive on the left. Maybe because it is close to some British ex-colonies such as Rhodesia/Zimbabwe or South Africa?

It seems that Macau and Timor-Leste drive on the left too! Not Angola, though.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #822
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That's very interesting!

What I see in the pictures is that people in Moçambique drive on the left. Maybe because it is close to some British ex-colonies such as Rhodesia/Zimbabwe or South Africa?

It seems that Macau and Timor-Leste drive on the left too! Not Angola, though.
Yes, it is true. They drive on the left. All the neighboring countries are former British colonies and they all drive on left. The same to Macao due the proximity to Hong Kong. Despite these two exceptions (I'm not sure about Timor or even the Portuguese State of India) all the ex-colonies drive as in Portugal, on the right.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #823
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Wow, so rich-looking, nice and well organized, specially considering this is in the heart of Africa. F****n commies ruined it all for mozambicans themselves
Are you crazy???If you like the colonial slavery so much then move to Guantanamo Bay and live there(and i mean as a prisoner).Boy,this comment is a typical product of western capitalistic school propaganda.Use your brain dam it
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Old October 28th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #824
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Are you crazy???If you like the colonial slavery so much then move to Guantanamo Bay and live there(and i mean as a prisoner).Boy,this comment is a typical product of western capitalistic school propaganda.Use your brain dam it
I think this is not an issue for this thread...
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Old October 29th, 2013, 12:43 AM   #825
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Yes, it is true. They drive on the left. All the neighboring countries are former British colonies and they all drive on left. The same to Macao due the proximity to Hong Kong. Despite these two exceptions (I'm not sure about Timor or even the Portuguese State of India) all the ex-colonies drive as in Portugal, on the right.
East Timor drove on the right until the Indonesians took over. I presume that Portuguese India drove on the left before it was incorporated into the Republic in 61.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 02:44 AM   #826
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I think this is not an issue for this thread...
Ok Buddy,but you started it.You can not post something like that without expecting a reaction
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Old October 29th, 2013, 03:25 AM   #827
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Yes, Mozambique looks like developed during Portoguese domination judgin by the pics above. However it's important to know how many Mozambiquese (is it the right adjective?) could enjoy that level of development. Probably the pics above show the financial and political centre of the capital city and not the homeland of 99% of people. Even today, even the poorest country has some nice places, but they aren't representative. Considering that Portugal during Salazàr was a dictatorship harsh even for ethnic mainlander Portoguese, I doubt it was a paradise for the submitted African folk.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 04:01 AM   #828
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Yes, Mozambique looks like developed during Portoguese domination judgin by the pics above. However it's important to know how many Mozambiquese (is it the right adjective?) could enjoy that level of development. Probably the pics above show the financial and political centre of the capital city and not the homeland of 99% of people. Even today, even the poorest country has some nice places, but they aren't representative. Considering that Portugal during Salazàr was a dictatorship harsh even for ethnic mainlander Portoguese, I doubt it was a paradise for the submitted African folk.
It's Mozambican and indeed.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 11:11 AM   #829
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I agree with Zagor666 but not in matter that commies were better. Actually, they WERE BETTER in composing photos, so if you find some official photos from socialist countries, you will see beautiful squares, flowers along roads, etc. The reality were often way different.
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Are you crazy???If you like the colonial slavery so much then move to Guantanamo Bay and live there(and i mean as a prisoner).Boy,this comment is a typical product of western capitalistic school propaganda.Use your brain dam it
For some people, independence on paper seems to be more important than developement and living standards. Who cares whether some country is a dictatorship or not, if the system supports free market and life in general is good? That's because there are not manifestations in China. A dictatorship is often a better system than a democracy, where people who are not aware on economics and politics can vote commies, greens, neonazis, etc.
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Really?!?!
Yeah, and in the late sixties children were also forced to bring money to the communist army of northern Vietnam for "writing machines" (guns); my dad brought dog poop in a pocket Also, despite the elections result (continuous loss) Socialists and Communists where nearly permanently in the government between the 60's and the 80's.

Yeah, our reputation as some example of perfect democracy is a myth. For example presidential elections of 1974 were completely annulled. Even today a non-social-democrat oppinion here causes a "scandal" and nazi-labelling in all major medias.

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Yeah, and in the late sixties children were also forced to bring money to the communist army of northern Vietnam for "writing machines" (guns); my dad brought dog poop in a pocket Also, despite the elections result (continuous loss) Socialists and Communists where nearly permanently in the government between the 60's and the 80's.
So strange to hear this... specially when we're talking about Finland...
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I agree with Zagor666 but not in matter that commies were better. Actually, they WERE BETTER in composing photos, so if you find some official photos from socialist countries, you will see beautiful squares, flowers along roads, etc. The reality were often way different.
Showe me a country where that isn´t so. I never saw a olympic presentation showing ghettos instead of beautiful parks in the city
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So strange to hear this... specially when we're talking about Finland...
Yeah, our reputation of a perfect democracy is a myth. For example, the presidential elections of 1974 were completely annulled, and National Coalition as a major winner was not taken to government because Soviet opposition in 1970 and 1979 - the major losers (Communist party and left in general) instead continued governating.

Even today all non-social-democratic-oppinions are labelled as Nazi and made "scandals" in all major medias.
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Showe me a country where that isn´t so. I never saw a olympic presentation showing ghettos instead of beautiful parks in the city
Yeah, you are right. But in communist regime it was more significant - believe me, I lived in one. However, my opinion to communist regime is not black & white, but details belong to another thread
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I agree with Zagor666 but not in matter that commies were better. Actually, they WERE BETTER in composing photos, so if you find some official photos from socialist countries, you will see beautiful squares, flowers along roads, etc. The reality were often way different.
I read that foreign leaving N.Korea have their memory cards inspected by custom police and "uncomfortable" pics removed, so foreigns can't see the bad sides of the country.

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For some people, independence on paper seems to be more important than developement and living standards. Who cares whether some country is a dictatorship or not, if the system supports free market and life in general is good? That's because there are not manifestations in China. A dictatorship is often a better system than a democracy, where people who are not aware on economics and politics can vote commies, greens, neonazis, etc.
People in China don't protest because otherwise they would be arrested and tortured. China isn't only the wealthy Beijng and Shangai, but also a lot of villages where people are still very poor. A large share of Chinese population work in bad conditions with very low wages. And why? Because the dictatorship doesn't allow trade unions to protect workers and doesn't make welfare laws.
If you look at the richest countries in the world, all of them are democracies, apart Singapore and some Gulf states. In non-democratic countries there is usually more social inequality (higher Gini coefficient).

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Yeah, and in the late sixties children were also forced to bring money to the communist army of northern Vietnam for "writing machines" (guns); my dad brought dog poop in a pocket Also, despite the elections result (continuous loss) Socialists and Communists where nearly permanently in the government between the 60's and the 80's.

Yeah, our reputation as some example of perfect democracy is a myth. For example presidential elections of 1974 were completely annulled. Even today a non-social-democrat oppinion here causes a "scandal" and nazi-labelling in all major medias.
Yes, northern countries are a myth of democracy, efficiency and welfare in the whole world. When you hear bad stories from there, for example the nazi-like eugenetic programme in Sweden from the 30s to the 70s, it's very surprising.
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Yeah, our reputation of a perfect democracy is a myth. For example, the presidential elections of 1974 were completely annulled, and National Coalition as a major winner was not taken to government because Soviet opposition in 1970 and 1979 - the major losers (Communist party and left in general) instead continued governating.

Even today all non-social-democratic-oppinions are labelled as Nazi and made "scandals" in all major medias.
I've to re-read the Finnish history
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