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Old October 30th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #841
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I've to re-read the Finnish history
Sadly it's difficult to find in English critical versions - all books just tell mythical stories of the most uncorrupt and democratic country which fought for peace on Earth, despite the fact that 1966-1991 Finland in fact was a satellite state of the USSR (all governments had to have the permission of Moscow). Try to find a traducted version of a book named "Vasemmalta ohi", which tells based on official documents about top Finnish politics such as Paavo Lipponen, Tarja Halonen, Ulf Sundqvist, Erkki Liikanen, Kalevi Sorsa, Jacob Söderman (all social democrats) for example advocating a law to prohibite critisizing socialist countries. Also many books and movies (for example Solzhenitsyns books and movies) where censured as late as in the late 80s, and the Swedish television network in Åland was closed during the televization of Ivan Denisovitch's day. Corruption was very widely spread.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #842
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Sadly it's difficult to find in English critical versions - all books just tell mythical stories of the most uncorrupt and democratic country which fought for peace on Earth, despite the fact that 1966-1991 Finland in fact was a satellite state of the USSR (all governments had to have the permission of Moscow). Try to find a traducted version of a book named "Vasemmalta ohi", which tells based on official documents about top Finnish politics such as Paavo Lipponen, Tarja Halonen, Ulf Sundqvist, Erkki Liikanen, Kalevi Sorsa, Jacob Söderman (all social democrats) for example advocating a law to prohibite critisizing socialist countries. Also many books and movies (for example Solzhenitsyns books and movies) where censured as late as in the late 80s, and the Swedish television network in Åland was closed during the televization of Ivan Denisovitch's day. Corruption was very widely spread.
But Finland was and is a very rich country. You said in a previous post that you don't care about the kind of government but only about economic conditions. Or maybe you like non-democratic regimes only if right-wing.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #843
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Sadly it's difficult to find in English critical versions - all books just tell mythical stories of the most uncorrupt and democratic country which fought for peace on Earth, despite the fact that 1966-1991 Finland in fact was a satellite state of the USSR (all governments had to have the permission of Moscow). Try to find a traducted version of a book named "Vasemmalta ohi", which tells based on official documents about top Finnish politics such as Paavo Lipponen, Tarja Halonen, Ulf Sundqvist, Erkki Liikanen, Kalevi Sorsa, Jacob Söderman (all social democrats) for example advocating a law to prohibite critisizing socialist countries. Also many books and movies (for example Solzhenitsyns books and movies) where censured as late as in the late 80s, and the Swedish television network in Åland was closed during the televization of Ivan Denisovitch's day. Corruption was very widely spread.
Thanks RV! I'll search about it.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 07:35 PM   #844
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Wow, so rich-looking, nice and well organized, specially considering this is in the heart of Africa. F****n commies ruined it all for mozambicans themselves
In most of Africa it doesn't really matter who's in power.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #845
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In most of Africa it doesn't really matter who's in power.
Of course not.The whole Continent still trys to recover from colonialism.For every problem that we have in Africa are Europe and the USA responsable
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Old October 30th, 2013, 11:15 PM   #846
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^Sweden in fact was an uni-party state 1935-1976 and 1982-1991, despite democratic elections.
No, it was not. The fact that Socialdemokraterna were in power all those years or the fact that you obviously don't like them does not make it so. It was actually a well-functioning democracy, not anything close to a uni-party state. It had its flaws, of course, but that's no different from any other democratic state.

This is, however, far off topic. If you really want to argue post-war politics, take it elsewhere and let's talk about road infrastructure no matter where our political allegiances lie.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 12:57 AM   #847
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We are getting little bit off topic.

But, of course, Africa suffered a lot from colonialism. Europeans and Americans just drew a random lines - now also known as borders and thus put hostile tribes together into one "republic".
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:34 AM   #848
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IMHO, Austria with its infrastructure is the last country to making fun of
I heard a saying that the Slovenians strive to out-Austrian the Austrians and in terms of road infrastructure and road signs its certainly true. I was in Slovenia last week and drove some 20 kilometer on an unpaved road to find an intersection with another unpaved road complete with stop signs, warning signs, direction signs

There are probably about 5 cars a day on that road. Also even in the middle of nowhere there were mile markers along this unpaved road. Never seen anything like it in my life...
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In Austria you can see that even on grassy roads. Which road did you use, if it's not a secret?
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In Austria you can see that even on grassy roads. Which road did you use, if it's not a secret?


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/previe...!2m1!1e3&fid=7
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^ 120 AADT.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 11:02 PM   #852
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Photo from 2009: old signs from 1970s in Yugoslavia looked like this, capital letters on blue, with blue and white poles.

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There are probably about 5 cars a day on that road. Also even in the middle of nowhere there were mile markers along this unpaved road. Never seen anything like it in my life...
That is a state road, some of them are still unpaved. They have appropriate signs though and their surface is maintained much better than on most other unpaved roads (local or forest roads).
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Vasco da Gama Bridge Construction - Portugal - 1997





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Old November 2nd, 2013, 05:15 PM   #855
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Photo from 2009: old signs from 1970s in Yugoslavia looked like this, capital letters on blue, with blue and white poles.

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Same were official in Czechoslovakia until 1970 as well
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Vasco da Gama Bridge Construction - Portugal - 1997
Europe's biggest bridge!
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Old November 4th, 2013, 01:50 AM   #857
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Some pictures (50's, 60's and 70's) of the former Portuguese city of Luanda (capital of the Overseas Province of Angola/State of Angola until 1975), now the capital of the Republic of Angola, and the city of Nova Lisboa, now Huambo.

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Old November 4th, 2013, 04:12 AM   #858
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Thank you for these pictures. I am impressed with quality of International Style architecture in Angola before 1975. How can be possible that so called "dictatorship" in its "colony" had built better architecture than the "comrades" in the former Deutsche Demokratische Republik?
I am a great admirer of Portuguese architecture and infrastructure (let's say Ponte da Arrabida in Porto) and it seems that the history of so called Portuguese Colonial International Style should be written or rewritten from the scratch.
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About the commies: dictator Tito throw his former friend Emperor Haile Sellasie away, into the commies' hands in that same 1975. Emperor's destiny is well known, RIP.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 04:24 AM   #860
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Interesting: in Angola there was drive-in bank in early seventies. In Yugoslavia no such thing before the nineties. So I really don't understand a lot of Yugonostalgics at the Skyscrapercity, most of them from capitalist countries (USA, Germany, Austria, Canada, etc.)?
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