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Old February 25th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #1281
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The toll station at the end has one of the weirdest things I've ever seen - tickets were handed manually to drivers instead of being issued through a machine.
It was the same in Slovenia until 2008 (on the Ljubljana-Koper/Sežana motorway) and maybe it's still the same for trucks and buses. Isn't it still like this in Croatia?
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Old February 25th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #1282
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I've seen this being done on a very busy holiday weekend in Spain. It's actually much faster than with the machine, since you take the ticket "on the fly".
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It was the same in Slovenia until 2008 (on the Ljubljana-Koper/Sežana motorway) and maybe it's still the same for trucks and buses. Isn't it still like this in Croatia?
In Croatia this is being done only on summer weekends at Lučko toll station, because it's faster than usual automatic way. Most people know how does Lučko look like on weekends in july and august
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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:14 PM   #1283
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1966 Hungary

M1/7 highway:






M7 highway:



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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #1284
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1968 Hungary

M1/7 highway:




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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #1285
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1969 Hungary

M7 highway:

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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:18 PM   #1286
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1970-71 Hungary



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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:21 PM   #1287
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1972 Hungary



M1/7 highway:




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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:23 PM   #1288
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1974 Hungary

M1/7 highway

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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:26 PM   #1289
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1935 Germany


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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:38 PM   #1290
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Wien?! Hungarians couldn't even go to Vienna, so where is Győr??
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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:44 PM   #1291
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I think that picture was taken here.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 10:44 PM   #1292
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1944 Hungary

The oldest motorway of Hungary, The Road to the Ferihegy Airport (RFA). Built in 1943 and basically the motorway was constant until the nineties.

1944, burying of bomb craters after the bombardment of the airport before the motorway:


1944, ruined buildings beside the road after the bombardament:


Ferihegy Airport in 1950 with the end of the motorway:


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Old February 25th, 2016, 11:31 PM   #1293
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1944 Hungary

The oldest motorway of Hungary, The Road to the Ferihegy Airport (RFA). Built in 1943 and basically the motorway was constant until the nineties.
"Motorway" is not the correct term here - the road may have been reserved for motorized traffic (was it?) but, being a single carriageway, does not fulfill a basic motorway requirement.
If only motorized traffic was authorized, then it was the first Kraftfahrstraße in the country.

So Hungary can beat no motorway records here, its first motorway is from the 1960's.
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Old February 25th, 2016, 11:43 PM   #1294
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Yep. But the international convenction to define Motorway was made in Vienna in 1966.
Italy have the first motorways in the world and was multilane with single carriageway
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"Motorway" is not the correct term here - the road may have been reserved for motorized traffic (was it?) but, being a single carriageway, does not fulfill a basic motorway requirement.
If only motorized traffic was authorized, then it was the first Kraftfahrstraße in the country.

So Hungary can beat no motorway records here, its first motorway is from the 1960's.
The roads official name was this: "Ferihegyi gyorsforgalmi út", the "gyorsforgalmi" term is the "motorway". We follow the French examples from the prewar Paris and partially the Italian with this road, but yes, the correct German name is the "Kraftfahrstraße" (autóút). However, this was the age of the experimentation with many parameters and standard and this experimental road was the prototype of the planned Horthy-motorways.

Interesting, but we started following the German standard in the Soviet times only (1960).
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Old February 26th, 2016, 12:58 AM   #1296
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Wien?! Hungarians couldn't even go to Vienna, so where is Győr??
Westerners visiting Hungary needed to know the route back to Vienna, so the few Hungarians allowed to visit the West (likely trusted members of the party).

By the way, I've seen photos of road signs pointing to Seoul in North Korea or to Ramallah in Jerusalem!
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Old February 26th, 2016, 02:52 AM   #1297
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Westerners visiting Hungary needed to know the route back to Vienna, so the few Hungarians allowed to visit the West (likely trusted members of the party).
Fine, but it still doesn't explain why there's no Győr on the sign (which would've been enough anyway).
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Old February 26th, 2016, 03:19 AM   #1298
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Everyone should had known that Vienna was the direction of Győr back then, it was "almost" in the West .
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Old February 26th, 2016, 03:32 AM   #1299
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Mexico, 1975.

A road somewhere in central-northern Mexico (San Luis Potosí), crossing the Sierra Madre Oriental mountain range.

Crossing the Sierra Madre Oriental, Mex-101 to San Luis Potosi, Mexico 1974.12.31 by fossilmike, en Flickr

Federal Road México 57. Today it is the one of the busiest roads in the country by being the main connection between central México and the United States.

Mex-57 to Matehuala, Mexico 1975.01.08 by fossilmike, en Flickr
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Old February 26th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #1300
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Fine, but it still doesn't explain why there's no Győr on the sign (which would've been enough anyway).
One logical explanation : domestic traffic was minimal, while the route was heavily used by foreigners? I'm guessing some Gastarbeiter might have gone that way to avoid the carnage of the Zagreb-Belgrade route?

There's one thing to back up that theory - the prices in the petrol station shown are in dollars, which makes me think that the route was a heavy transit route if it was worth having separate petrol stations for foreign vehicles.
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