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Old February 26th, 2016, 11:49 AM   #1301
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One logical explanation : domestic traffic was minimal, while the route was heavily used by foreigners? I'm guessing some Gastarbeiter might have gone that way to avoid the carnage of the Zagreb-Belgrade route?

There's one thing to back up that theory - the prices in the petrol station shown are in dollars, which makes me think that the route was a heavy transit route if it was worth having separate petrol stations for foreign vehicles.
We built the road for the high domestic traffic around Budapest, on the Bp-Balaton, Bp-Austria sections and for the Balkan-Germany route of the gastarbaiters. This was a necessary investment, the original highway plan from 1971:


And everybody know, that Győr is in the halfway between Budapest and Wien.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 01:52 PM   #1302
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I remember when Zagreb was still signposted at the M1×M7 interchange.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 03:03 PM   #1303
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1965 Hungary

M7 under construction:

source: fentrol.hu (Hungarian aerial survey database)
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Old February 26th, 2016, 05:17 PM   #1304
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Since when was the vignette (or other tolls) introduced in Hungary?
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Old February 26th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #1305
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Old February 26th, 2016, 06:48 PM   #1306
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I'm amazed that the petrol station was run by BP in 1970s Hungary - How did that happen?
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Old February 26th, 2016, 07:08 PM   #1307
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Joint venture with a Hungarian company. The situation in the contemporary China is similar (they copied many Hungarian socialist methods), if you wanted to invest in the socialist Hungary, you had to look for a Hungarian partner then. All of the considerable companies were present at this time in Hungary. The ÁFOR was the BP's partner and they opened the BP first petrol station in 1972.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #1308
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The Cork International Motor Car Race, 1937 in Cork, Ireland, along the Carrigrohane Straight Road.



The road in 2010:



And during recent floods:

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Old February 26th, 2016, 08:36 PM   #1309
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1980-82 Hungary

M3 highway in Budapest, between the Hungária ringroad and the Szentmihályi street:






source: fortepan
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Old February 26th, 2016, 08:46 PM   #1310
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Sweden and Ireland must have been the only countries that insisted in driving on the left whilst not being a part of the British Empire. Suriname has left-hand driving now. No idea why...
Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland until 1922.

Japan and Thailand are just two states in Asia that have never been part of the British Empire and which drive on the left.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 09:00 PM   #1311
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M7 highway:
Did Hungarians drive on the left side of the road? (See the traffic sign)
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Old February 26th, 2016, 09:20 PM   #1312
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That sign is an anomaly!
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Old February 26th, 2016, 09:30 PM   #1313
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The same wrong sign had been also spotted in present-day Italy (by me) and Slovakia (another post on SSC).
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old February 26th, 2016, 09:37 PM   #1314
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1980-82 Hungary

M3 highway in Budapest, between the Hungária ringroad and the Szentmihályi street:

(first photo)
It's clearly visible that Budapest was in dire need of a new motorway
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Old February 26th, 2016, 09:53 PM   #1315
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Number of vehicles in Hungary and the lenght of the highways:

1955: 135 494
1960: 319 171 +235%
1970: 1 007 822 +315% - 85km
1980: 1 852 962 +183% - 213 km +250%
1985: 2 054 941 +110% - 302 km +141%
1990: 2 401 949 +116% - 346 km +114%
1995: 2 749 466 +114% - 398 km +115%
2000: 2 840 187 +103% - 571 km +143%
2005: 3 456 538 +121% - 717 km +125%
2010: 3 608 834 +104% - 1290 km +179%

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Old February 27th, 2016, 04:39 AM   #1316
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Rosario, Argentina. Rosario-Santa Fe Highway and Rosario ring road (here), 1971




https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

Today:



https://www.facebook.com/DiarioLaCap...type=3&theater
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Old February 27th, 2016, 06:52 PM   #1317
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Found a brilliant movie here of the Zagreb-Belgrade Autoput.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWzKVxUVZWM

The toll station at the end has one of the weirdest things I've ever seen - tickets were handed manually to drivers instead of being issued through a machine.
manual ticketing was present in Croatia up to the 2000es. as the folks said already - it is way faster that automatic ticketing, i was almost always passing the toll station gliding in 2nd gear if the lane was empty.

i find that video brilliant for 2 things: you can see the quality of the Yugoslav roads. second thing - real rarity to see former toll station Brodski Stupnik. i remember passing it in 2001, it was still active (and those were the last moments of it). i have already given up searchin the Internet for a photo of it, and now you have found it. frankly - as soon as you mentioned toll station in your post, i knew it was that one, i had that feeling thanks for that.
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Old February 27th, 2016, 09:07 PM   #1318
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1965 Hungary
Google earth - 50 years ago
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Old February 27th, 2016, 10:26 PM   #1319
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manual ticketing was present in Croatia up to the 2000es. as the folks said already - it is way faster that automatic ticketing, i was almost always passing the toll station gliding in 2nd gear if the lane was empty.
... meanwhile I almost always manage to pull up too far away from the machine and have to get out to get the ticket. I guess there are some advantages after all, but still, it's the first time I've ever seen such a thing. My first experience of toll roads was in France and Spain in 1994 though, so that sort of explains why.

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i find that video brilliant for 2 things: you can see the quality of the Yugoslav roads. second thing - real rarity to see former toll station Brodski Stupnik. i remember passing it in 2001, it was still active (and those were the last moments of it). i have already given up searchin the Internet for a photo of it, and now you have found it. frankly - as soon as you mentioned toll station in your post, i knew it was that one, i had that feeling thanks for that.
It's my pleasure I'm guessing this is in the direction of Zagreb, and the road before the toll station is of the old Highway of Brotherhood and Unity? If so - now I understand why it was so notorious. If that was the condition of the main road from Zagreb to Belgrade, I can't imagine how bad some roads must have been.

https://youtu.be/dWzKVxUVZWM?t=4m35s - what's the story here? How could a hotel sell duty free when it's located near Slavonski Brod, smack bang in the middle of Yugoslavia?

(https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ma...dcae7f!6m1!1e1 - this appears to be the hotel in 2011...)

edit : wait, maybe it isn't. x-type, any idea? There's an abandoned building on the other side of the A3, and there's also a petrol station - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.1794...8i6656!6m1!1e1 - I have no idea :/

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Old February 27th, 2016, 10:42 PM   #1320
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The older Motel Marsionia (seen in video) is north of motorway. The southern one was built after the motorway was upgraded to four lanes (shortly before war). Both motels were damaged during Croatian War of Independence and are now derelict. There are planes for reconstruction, but still haven't come to fruition.

EDIT: The soutern one was never finished.

I guess it was Duty free only for foreigners. They paid tax as everyone, but got it back at the border.

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