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Old February 29th, 2016, 12:38 AM   #1341
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Most maps had inner borders drawn.
I made a quick look on all my outdated maps and Yugoslavia is always depicted with inner boundaries, even at the scale of European continent.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 08:49 AM   #1342
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Both existed.

There were maps with and without inner boundaries. Just like there were maps of other federal states (like West-Germany) with and without inner boudaries.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 08:33 PM   #1343
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most of the maps had indicated state boundaries (at least all those that were hanged at walls in offices and classrooms). but only maps. no any real borders in rl.

i remember my first longer school trip, the year was 1987 or 1988, we went to Postojna. there were 2 petrol stations one near anoter: one was Ina, anothe was Petrol. that was the only indication of HR-SLO border.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 09:49 PM   #1344
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most of the maps had indicated state boundaries (at least all those that were hanged at walls in offices and classrooms). but only maps. no any real borders in rl.

i remember my first longer school trip, the year was 1987 or 1988, we went to Postojna. there were 2 petrol stations one near anoter: one was Ina, anothe was Petrol. that was the only indication of HR-SLO border.
But states had many services under them. Even railway operations were clearly divided by states! For example, in Croatia there was ŽTP Zagreb (željezničko transportno poduzeće, railway transport company) that maintained tracks in Croatia and had it's own rolling stock. Each state/province had it's own ŽTP/ŽTO. And they were quite independent. For example, only ŽTP Zagreb (of which became HŽ) was capable of running trains at 160 km/h in the 80's (and still is now, with the exception of SŽ on a short stretch Maribor-Pragersko).

Of course, all ŽTP-s/ŽTO-s were under umbrella company Jugoslavenske željeznice/Jugoslovenske železnice.
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Old February 29th, 2016, 11:11 PM   #1345
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Official licence plate codes, country ovals and traffic signs in Czechoslovakia in 1929. What does SB stand for in Yugoslavia? Nice, they had mentioned the new name for SHS Kingdom. Btw. the scan is taken from traffic rules - the general speed limit in inhabited area was 20 kph

There were no Slovak translations for Belgium and Norway that times :-) Moreover, United States of North America seems logical but weird.

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Old March 1st, 2016, 12:45 AM   #1346
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i remember my first longer school trip, the year was 1987 or 1988, we went to Postojna. there were 2 petrol stations one near anoter: one was Ina, anothe was Petrol. that was the only indication of HR-SLO border.
The state borders were often easily visible by changing road quality since the states were responsible for road maintenance and planning.

Quite often you had a big break in road quality at the state border since each state had different money available and different ideas of the importance of a road.

This is still visible e.g. on the now-border between MNE and BiH from Pluzine to Foca (wide and good road in MNE, a real mess in BiH).

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Old March 1st, 2016, 12:50 AM   #1347
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Official licence plate codes, country ovals and traffic signs in Czechoslovakia in 1929. What does SB stand for in Yugoslavia? Nice, they had mentioned the new name for SHS Kingdom.
SB was code for the Kingdom of Serbia until 1918. Old data.

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This is still visible e.g. on the now-border between MNE and BiH from Plusinje to Foca (wide and good road in MNE, a real mess in BiH).
Plužine?
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Old March 1st, 2016, 01:02 AM   #1348
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SB was Serbia until 1919 according to Wikipedia. In 1929 it was either SHS or Y.

Edit: Alex_ZR was faster.
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Official licence plate codes, country ovals and traffic signs in Czechoslovakia in 1929. What does SB stand for in Yugoslavia?
SB was the old country code for Serbia. The "Kingdom of Serbia" merged with the "State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs" to form the "Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes" which later (in 1929) became the "Kingdom of Yugoslavia". So the "SB" for Yugoslavia is a further use of the Serbian country code.

However, SHS or Y would be the correct one in 1929. But perhaps it's just an information with errors. HL for Liechtenstein is not correct as far as I could get informations for it. RM seems also wrong.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._longer_in_use
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Old March 1st, 2016, 01:05 AM   #1350
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But states had many services under them. Even railway operations were clearly divided by states! For example, in Croatia there was ŽTP Zagreb (željezničko transportno poduzeće, railway transport company) that maintained tracks in Croatia and had it's own rolling stock. Each state/province had it's own ŽTP/ŽTO. And they were quite independent. For example, only ŽTP Zagreb (of which became HŽ) was capable of running trains at 160 km/h in the 80's (and still is now, with the exception of SŽ on a short stretch Maribor-Pragersko).

Of course, all ŽTP-s/ŽTO-s were under umbrella company Jugoslavenske željeznice/Jugoslovenske železnice.
That's probably just a bone we threw your way, after you bitched about money going towards building of Belgrade-Bar railway.
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That's probably just a bone we threw your way, after you bitched about money going towards building of Belgrade-Bar railway.
I wouldn't say so, cause Končar Zagreb built the Brena locos for 160 km/h, that are still the flagship HŽ locos today.

And ŽTO Novi Sad was reluctant to upgrade to 160 km/h, even when almost the whole stretch Novska-Vinkovci-border on Croatian side (of the most important mainline Zagreb-Belgrade) was already operating at that speed

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Old March 1st, 2016, 01:44 AM   #1352
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Btw. the scan is taken from traffic rules - the general speed limit in inhabited area was 20 kph [/IMG]
This seems reasonable in a era when the vast majority of traffic was non-motorized.
I've read a book about the 1907 Beijng-Paris automobile race. The Italian prince Scipione Borghese, who took part to it and won with his Itala car, was fined in Belgium because he drove more than 10kph inside a town, that wasn't allowed back then.
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Plužine?
Yes, of course.
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Old March 16th, 2016, 02:55 AM   #1354
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Roads in and around Eger, Hungary, 1982















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Roads in and around Eger, Hungary, 1982
Photos made by the police? Interesting.
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Construction of A3 motorway in Italy in the late 1960s and early 1970s

Costruction of Italia Viaduct









Italia Viaduct completed







Construction of section Mormanno - Campotenese



Construction of Sfalassà viaduct







Construction of Costa Viola viaduct



Construction of section Laino Borgo - Valle Jassa





Section Laino Borgo - Valle Jassa completed





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http://www.stradeanas.it/content/ind...arc_new/page/4
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Old March 16th, 2016, 07:48 PM   #1358
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A 4 Poland:
Exit KRAJKOW under construction (date: 10/30/2000) (known as "Wyjazd 164" or nowadays as exit WROCLAW WSCHOD)


Exit BIELANY & "Centrum Handlowe Bielany" under construction (date: 4/26/2003) (here, you can see the motorway A 4 during renovations)


Exit KATY WROCLAWSKIE (date: 9/8/2002) (here, you can see the old RAB / Motorway A 4 before the renovations)
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Old March 16th, 2016, 07:53 PM   #1359
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Famous German - Luxembourg Border "SCHENGEN" under construction (A8 PERL (D) - A13 CROIX "BETTEMBOURG" (LUX)) (Date: 6/1/2000)

The Highway was finished in 2003.
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