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Old July 7th, 2016, 09:04 AM   #1441
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In 1940 they had over 3000km!
Yes. It seems a lot when most other countries didnt have any motorways at all. In 1939 there were 1.3 million cars in Germany and a total of 3.3 million motorvehicles, not sure if that included military vehicles.

Hitler's motorization-politics meant tax credits for vehicle owners and improvement of infrastructure, such as building of motorways.

He hoped that this would promote sales of cars which also would improve the economy in the automobile industry. This had positive effects on the labor market and the number of people employed increased.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 08:44 PM   #1442
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The tangenziale ovest (= western ring) in Milan, 1968.

The same place today: https://www.google.it/maps/@45.48564...7i13312!8i6656

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Old July 7th, 2016, 08:50 PM   #1443
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Interesting, it had a wide median for future expansion. Not all European countries built motorways like that. Is it me or is the shoulder wider than today?
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According to Wikipedia, A50 opened in 1968 as 2x2 (in the 1968 picture, in fact, you can see that pavement and lines are very new). It was upgraded to 3x2 in the early 1980s. It's possible that they decided to make narrower shoulders to make wider lane without actually enlarging the motorway.
Probably in the 1960s it was already clear that traffic around Milan would have grown a lot, so they had the good idea to plan it with a central reservation for 3x2.
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Inauguration ceremony of roadworks for A1 motorway in Melegnano, near Milan, 19 May 1956



From FB page of Autostrade per L'Italia.
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Old July 8th, 2016, 02:32 AM   #1446
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From the Polish section.

Beginning from 15:15 - opening of the A1 between Tuszyn and Piotrków Trybunalski in 1989 (a report in the main evening TV news):

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Znalazlem krotki fragment o otwarciu tego odcinka A1

Od 15:15
The protests shown here are due to a missing bridge on the Piotrków Trybunalski - Łask road. Some people had to take much a longer way to get to Piotrków. They wanted a zebra crossing to be created, which, of course, would make the newly opened motorway no longer a motorway. The missing bridge was built within a year after opening the road.


One of the users discovered in Poland an old German concrete road from 1941 (!), which is still used and it's in a really good condition as for a road that hasn't been renovated for 75 years:
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Jak widzę, wątek kwitnie.

Dorzucam kolejny kwiatek. Zakręciłem się wokół drogi-ciekawostki, która mnie frapowała od kilkunastu lat, ilekroć jechałem z Wielenia do Człopy.

Moją uwagę zawsze zwracał rozległy trójkątny rozjazd przy skrzyżowaniu z szosą Wieleń-Człopa i niespotykana nawierzchnia z betonu.

Wreszcie raz turystycznie spędziłem tu godzinę w spokojniejszy dzień.
I oto jest!: 7-kilometrowa betonowa szosa (w ciągu DW180), łącząca skrzyżowanie koło miejscowości Przyłęki z DW177.



Nagranie było wykonane przy uchylonej szybie pasażera, żeby lepiej było słychać odgłosy toczenia. Niestety, choć moja kamerka sportowa daje niezłą jakość obrazu, to jest chronicznie przygłuchawa. :/

Dzięki wsparciu merytorycznemu usera bartosz_berlinka i jego znajomego Piotra Zembrzuskiego, z dostępem do niemieckich zdjęć lotniczych, mamy ostrożne potwierdzenie, że budowę tej szosy ukończono prawdopodobnie w 1941 r.

Charakteryzuje się baaardzo przyzwoitą kondycją, jak na poniemiecką betonówkę w oryginalnym stanie. Śmiem twierdzić, że jest w pierwszej piątce tego typu dróg, tego pochodzenia, znajdujących się na terenie Polski.

Oczywiście, komfort toczenia nie dorównuje asfaltom. Są lekkie wstrząsy, koła toczą się z donośnym patat!-patat!-patat!-patat!-patat! Jednak przy prędkości rzędu 100-110 km/h daleko jest do wrażenia, że gablota się rozpadnie. Jakkolwiek, moja ocena może się różnić od cudzych, gdyż pośrednikiem między kołami a moimi czterema literami było zawieszenie hydropneumatyczne. Bardzo chciałbym, żeby chociaż w takim stanie była południowa jezdnia DK18 Olszyna-Parkoszów.

Jezdnia ma szerokość 6 metrów. Nawierzchnia jest wykonana z nieuzbrojonego betonu wylewanego na miejscu. Szerokość betonowej ławy mostu na strudze Kamionce wynosi około 9 metrów. Niestety, przeprawa nie jest datowana przez budowniczych (zwyczajowym palcem w mokrym betonie).

Most na Kamionce:



Skrzyżowanie z DW177



I widok w kierunku wschodnim:


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P.S. Szosą betonową w podobnej (identycznej?) technologii, budowaną przez Niemców przed II wojną, a dziś częściowo zaasfaltowaną, dojeżdża się z Lubowa do Bornego-Sulinowa. https://goo.gl/maps/TBX5wxNCWTw
The A4 in 1994:
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Zdjęcie zamieszczone już przez Użytkownika mappero w wątku o A4, ale sądzę, że warto pokazać je również tutaj. Rok 1994, okolice węzła Owczary (Brzeg).



Autor: James Popple

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/29532094

The A2 near Września in 1991:
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zdjęcia z 1991 (sierpień):

W oddali podjazd na pierwszy wiadukt kolejowy na obwodnicy Wrześni (linia Poznań-Września)



dziś:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.33764...7i13312!8i6656

Nieistniejący zakręt w lewo i podjazd na trzeci wiadukt nad linią kolejową Jarocin-Września, w oddali po prawej widoczna tablica drogowskazowa na węźle:



Dziś zupełnie inaczej, widać jedynie wystające nad ekranami po lewej słupy trakcji kolejowej obwodnicy Wrześni:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.31689...7i13312!8i6656

i wreszcie początek autostrady, wiadukt nad linią kolejową Jarocin-Września i obecną DK15, bardzo dłuuugi nasyp:



Było to nieco na północ od tego miejsca dziś:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.31273...7i13312!8i6656

Tu mniej więcej kończył się nieistniejący już zakręt obwodnicy Wrześni na DK2 i przejście dawnej E8 w autostradę Wielkopolską A2/E30.

Roads in the Poznań region in 1991 - the links are to the photos of the current state of these places on Google Street View:
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W Podjadkach był pyszny żurek i Pepsi

Zdjęcie z 1991 parking Wyszki:



i dziś:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@51.93721...7i13312!8i6656

nowe info na tablicy.

i dalej, początek obwodnicy Nowego Miasta:



dziś:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.07834...7i13312!8i6656

chyba zniknął chodniczek

Dalej, nieużywany most nad starorzeczem Warty:



Bardzo ładny jest z boku:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.09017...7i13312!8i6656

się chciało panom inżynierom profilować przęsła których w czasie jazdy nikt nie oglądał. Zachodzę w głowę który to rok, wszak to chyba żelbet?

I dalej w stronę Poznania, początek dwóch jezdni na obwodnicy Kórnika:



to samo miejsce dziś:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.25846...7i13312!8i6656

Zastanawia mnie, dlaczego dwie jezdnie kończyły się tu, mimo że obwodnica biegła jeszcze prawie trzy km. Kasy im zabrakło?
Miałem kiedyś dostęp do kosztorysu, wybudowanie drugiej jezdni z Poznania do Kórnika wraz z 'obejściem' tegoż miało kosztować w latach 70. 74 mln zł (dzisiejsze 7400 PLN, co znaczy inflacja

Bezkolizyjne skrzyżowanie z ul. Tarnowską, bez możliwości wjazdu na nią:



zawsze podobały mi się te filary na jednej nodze, co ciekawe podobne podpierają wiadukt Zakopianki nad torami kolejowymi i autostradą w podkrakowskich Opatkowicach:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@49.99401...7i13312!8i6656

że to wytrzyma takie obciążenia Te pierwsze filary wydają się nawet solidniejsze...
No ale dziś po nich nie ma śladu:

https://www.google.pl/maps/@52.33936...7i13312!8i6656

i widoków na prawo i lewo już nie ma

A na koniec jedna z pierwszych przydrożnych reklam:



Konkretnie, bez sloganu, a każdy wiedział o co chodzi. Stały przy wylotówkach z Poznania (drugą pamiętam z okolic bliźniaczych stacji CPN na Miłostowie), postawiono je w czerwcu 1989, stały kilka lat, tak aktualną miały treść

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Interesting cities on the km sign:
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Dzięki za link.

Wiem że nie ten wątek (jak by co to proszę o przeniesienie) ale zastanawia mnie to zdjęcie i napis "London". To była jakaś dziwna twórczość projektanta czy może pływał prom ze Świnoujścia do UK ?

This is how this place looks now: https://goo.gl/maps/A98pptqBsjD2

It's already quite much, so for more photos (also older ones) see the Polish thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...208131&page=62
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Old July 8th, 2016, 11:24 AM   #1447
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I just discovered a ŘSD (Czech Motorway and roads directorate) document called "70 Years of the Motorway in Photographs" that will make a great fit in this thread. The translation to english isn't great, but it's picture rich and one picture is worth a thousand words. It covers the history of motorways in Czech lands from their beginning in late 30s on.

This is, for instance, a single spot on D1 on three different pictures taken 20 years apart:



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Old July 8th, 2016, 10:59 PM   #1448
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Images of the Turin–Milan motorway, opened in 1932:





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Old July 9th, 2016, 03:46 PM   #1449
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all of these taken from the archive you have suggested to me?
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Yes, all images come from "Le Strade", official magazine of the Italian Touring Club.

http://www.bdl.servizirl.it/bdlfe/item/988
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Italian A4 near Milan in the 1960s.
Interesting to notice the sign with blue background, like on normal roads. Green signs for motorways were introduced in 1969.
This is the only colour photo of blue motorway signs I managed to find.



In 1969 we also introduced the sign with the motorway symbol, that, except for a little restyling, it's the same we use today.
Beginning of A24 in Rome, taken in 1969-70.
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In 1969 we also introduced the sign with the motorway symbol, that, except for a little restyling, it's the same we use today.
... with "we" including Albania nowadays



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Trucks with less than 500 cc?
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That's on the Italian sign; the Albanian one has a big truck drawn.
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Is it considered a truck? In Poland even vans are treated as passenger cars (unless they have more 9 or more seats, then they are considered buses), and it's enough to have a passenger car driving license (B category) to drive them. And I thought it's so in the whole Europe...

This thing wouldn't be probably even considered a car... Rather a quad (but I don't think so, as it has only three wheels) or a motorbike.
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Is it considered a truck? In Poland even vans are treated as passenger cars (unless they have more 9 or more seats, then they are considered buses), and it's enough to have a passenger car driving license (B category) to drive them. And I thought it's so in the whole Europe...

This thing wouldn't be probably even considered a car... Rather a quad (but I don't think so, as it has only three wheels) or a motorbike.
In Italy today it's considered a motorcycle. If it's below 50cc it has a different plate (smaller, only on the rear) and it's legally limited to 45km/h.
Vans with 9 seats or less and below 3.5 tons are considered passenger cars.
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Italian A4 near Milan in the 1960s.
Interesting to notice the sign with blue background, like on normal roads. Green signs for motorways were introduced in 1969.
This is the only colour photo of blue motorway signs I managed to find.
This same place nowadays
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Polish GMaps has some pale colors for roads; I don't like it.
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In Italy today it's considered a motorcycle. If it's below 50cc it has a different plate (smaller, only on the rear) and it's legally limited to 45km/h.
Vans with 9 seats or less and below 3.5 tons are considered passenger cars.

I'll explain that: that's consider a 3-wheeled motorcycle.
I'll show an evolution of Italian "Motorway begins ahead" signs:

The first introdution in 1969 (and confirmed in 1971)


with a zoom on that detail:

The sign updated with the change of Italian Highway Code in 1992:


another zoom, with the changed image:

and, at least, the actual version, introduced in 1996, that eliminated that part (but is also in force by law also today):

this last taken from Wikipedia
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