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Old November 12th, 2016, 09:22 PM   #1541
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Different speed limits for trucks and cars on thoroughfares is still fairly common today in France. I've seen some 25 km/h truck limits as well.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 09:23 PM   #1542
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This is how the M1/7 constructions were started in 1963-65:




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Old November 12th, 2016, 09:27 PM   #1543
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Different speed limits for trucks and cars on thoroughfares is still fairly common today in France. I've seen some 25 km/h truck limits as well.
Of course, but Pkw was Panzerkampfwagen in this case presumably:
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Old November 12th, 2016, 10:58 PM   #1544
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Of course, but Pkw was Panzerkampfwagen in this case presumably
That's "PzKpfw" according to Wikipedia.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 11:00 PM   #1545
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Better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhz_yFT3dJI

Maus attack!
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Old November 12th, 2016, 11:28 PM   #1546
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That's "PzKpfw" according to Wikipedia.
Yes, the Pkw in the sign was Personalkraftwagen then. So the PzKpfws did not have a speed limit!
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Old November 13th, 2016, 12:31 AM   #1547
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maybe 110
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Old November 13th, 2016, 12:37 AM   #1548
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Hungary and the GDR had a 100km/h motorway speed limit back then (until 1990).
In Hungary, it was raised to 120km/h very soon after the fall of the Iron Curtain.
For the motorways of the former GDR part of reunified Germany, the general speed limit could only be abolished in 1993.

What is odd is that the mighty ol' USA had a lower max speed limit (55 mph on most roads from 1973 to 1995) than these two East Bloc countries.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 02:20 AM   #1549
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The US did that to try and save gas after the OPEC embargo. The embargo never hit the Warsaw Pact.
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Old November 13th, 2016, 12:49 PM   #1550
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Spain-France border crossing at La Jonquera in the early 90s:



Note the sign advertising Aire du Village Catalan rest area. It's no longer there, and nor are the customs booths.

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Old November 13th, 2016, 06:17 PM   #1551
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This is how the M1/7 constructions were started in 1963-65:

The motorway in the middle of the village ?
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Old November 13th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #1552
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The motorway in the middle of the village ?
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Old November 14th, 2016, 03:43 PM   #1553
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How old is this picture? Maybe early 1990s?

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Old November 14th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #1554
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The Alfa 146 (red car) came out in 1995.
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Old November 14th, 2016, 09:49 PM   #1555
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Spain-France border crossing at La Jonquera in the early 90s:



Note the sign advertising Aire du Village Catalan rest area. It's no longer there, and nor are the customs booths.

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I crossed this border in 1995, just couple of months after implementation of the Schengen Area. I have looked at this place in street view now and weren't able to recognise anything. And yes, even if I crossed to Spain there over 2 decadedes ago, I still can remember a shop in La Jonquera, some short distance after border crossing, with huge wooden barrels full of wine laying outside it, sadly, it's not there any more. Anyway, this picture makes me feel that specific climate of the nighties, possible to find only in this part of Europe, hot Europe, again; Ebro lorriess, MB100 vans and open roof Peugeots 205 crossing slowly with their a little happier and far more relaxed drivers on-board, than those, to which I was used to living behind the iron curtain. It was completely different world to me, back then.
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Old November 14th, 2016, 10:25 PM   #1556
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How old is this picture? Maybe early 1990s?
This place today.
Google Earth imagery shows A7 being still an 1+1 road in 2007, while it appears as fully upgraded in 2012. There are no photos between 2007 and 2012.
However signage and yellow lines looks like still from Yugoslavia times.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old November 14th, 2016, 10:35 PM   #1557
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La Jonquera was a strange place after Schengen. I crossed there in 1999 in the middle of the night, and the place was completely abandoned except one currency exchange office.

What made it strange was that after I got out to change money, I realised that (I think Spanish) police were there in the darkness, and several of them were armed with machine guns. I asked the guy inside and he said not to worry, because it was the police - but to this day, I wonder why they were lurking there in the darkness.

What was particularly unsettling was that La Jonquera was still very much intact at that point and you had to pass by the former control booths at 10km/h - so I had passed these armed-to-the-teeth men without noticing them, even at 10km/h.

Schengen took quite a while to come into real effect between Spain and France though, especially at Irun/Hendaye. I spent a couple of months in late 1996 working in San Sebastian, and with my non-local plates, I was stopped frequently, asked for my passport and questioned as to what I was doing. I spent a few hours looking at the crossings to see how they were working in practice, and on the A63/A8 crossing at Biriatou, they would visually check every car crossing.

Even to this day, there's an extraterritorial part of Spain in France here -https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3405504,-1.7509755,3a,75y,273.4h,82.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNF4M5FLfCYvT7XUxeGgA_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 - I can't find the documents now, but it is legally part of Spain so that the Spanish police can operate freely there.
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Even in present times there are sometimes heavily armed border guards at La Jonquera. They were there when I crossed in 2015, but not in 2016 (despite all the terrorism activity shortly before).
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It's quite weird that Italy, one of the six founder members of EEC in 1957, joined Schengen Area 2 years later than Spain and Portugal, that joined EEC in 1986.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old November 14th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #1560
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Works for A1 near Milan, 1957

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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