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Old November 14th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #1561
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Construction of Carusa viaduct on A26, 1974

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old November 14th, 2016, 11:36 PM   #1562
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Drawing of a trumpet motorway interchange from the 1960s

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 02:01 AM   #1563
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The common school atlas in 1960's Hungary included a drawing of a full cloverleaf motorway interchange from somewhere near Frankfurt a.M.
Apparently, no example from the Socialist bloc could be found for this illustration.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 04:36 AM   #1564
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really curious they could not just invent one, marking it say Budapest and Gyor, Pecs and Miskolc or whatever... perhaps didn't want to confuse the geography...
Mind you the Frankfurter Kreuz is one of the most heavy traffic interchanges in Europe

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Drawing of a trumpet motorway interchange from the 1960s
This reminds me how lovely Italian language is, so melodic... Rampa di raccordo, pista di accelerione, NO!
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Old November 15th, 2016, 08:09 AM   #1565
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This place today.
Google Earth imagery shows A7 being still an 1+1 road in 2007, while it appears as fully upgraded in 2012. There are no photos between 2007 and 2012.
However signage and yellow lines looks like still from Yugoslavia times.
A7/Rijeka bypass was upgraded to 2x2 in 2009. Yellow lines were replaced with white somewhere around 2000. The signage is obviously from YU times (specific font and arrows, no road number), but it was present until full profile was done. So I would say the picture is from 1995-2000.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 12:07 PM   #1566
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 07:05 PM   #1567
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And no speed limit back then .
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 07:20 PM   #1568
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It's interesting how the autoroute network of France was developed relatively late. By 1970, France had mostly the Lille - Paris - Lyon - Marseille corridor and a few other - relatively short - segments of autoroute.

In 1970, the Netherlands had already completed half of its current motorway network, and Germany already had nearly 6,000 kilometers of Autobahn operational. France had only some 1,500 - 1,800 km operational at that time.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 08:49 PM   #1569
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Germany had a road network suited to the automobile before WWII, but France didn't have such thing. Plus the state of the roads after the war was awful. Much of the construction done in the 1950s and 1960s was realignments and widenings of the existing trunk roads to three lanes because there was an urgent need for infrastructure to suit the fast pace of motorization of the country but budgets were still too tight to develop a motorway network. Spain did the same thing, although to a lesser exent (and later) because its economy was doing much worse.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 09:00 PM   #1570
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 01:03 AM   #1571
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Map of East Germany with transit roads between West Germany and West Berlin


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Old November 23rd, 2016, 01:04 AM   #1572
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Autobahn near East Barlin in 1982:

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Old November 23rd, 2016, 05:50 AM   #1573
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Map of East Germany with transit roads between West Germany and West Berlin


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Interesting to note that (Lübeck-)Rostock-Prenzlau-VR Polen was a transit route. The authorities could just as easily have decided to route that traffic over Hamburg-Berlin. Especially as this was an ordinary highway and I assume the GDR authorities preferred traffic to be on Autobahn (grade separated access, thus easier to control traffic behaviour. On an ordinary highway you could have a "sudden breakdown" with your vehicle or throw out important messages for spies and other contraband next to a rock/tree/ditch etc.)


Lübeck-Rostock-Sassnitz is an interesting transit route in its own way. If you wanted to go to Scandinavia from the West, why on earth would you prefer to spend x hours for each control in Lübeck and Sassnitz and drive 300 kms on lousy highways (not to mention the application process of getting a transit visa) when you could just as easily take the ferry to Trelleborg from Travemünde or drive Puttgarden-Copenhagen-Helsingborg/Malmö? Remember this was also a time when custom officers were abundant in Nordic points of entry and allowed limits on alcohol and tobacco were in the numbers of one bottle and a few pack of smokes. A trip through northern GDR couldn't possibly justify that.
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Sassnitz was the direct connection to the Soviet Union. I think the connections to Scandinavia were far less important at that time.

Also the transit routes were not mainly for tourists / cars but for freight / trucks - in both directions.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 10:21 AM   #1575
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Autobahn near East Barlin in 1982:

The white MB190 (W201) must have been very new. That model was introduced on december 8th 1982.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 10:27 AM   #1576
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Also look at the black car in front of Mercedes.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 03:42 PM   #1577
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Sassnitz was the direct connection to the Soviet Union. I think the connections to Scandinavia were far less important at that time.

Also the transit routes were not mainly for tourists / cars but for freight / trucks - in both directions.

Well, it could be the case there were lorries from the ferry Gedser-(Warnemünde-)Rostock going to Poland. In 1982 the motorway from Rostock to Berlin was already completed since a few years back (later that year Berlin-Hamburg was finished). As soon as Berlin-Hamburg was opened, the old transit route (ordinary highway for most part) was closed off, and transit traffic were forced upon the Autobahn. With a brand-new motorway from Rostock to the south and a completed Berliner Ring and motorways from Berlin to Poland in multiple directions, the GDR authorities could just as easily have decided that transit traffic from Rostock to Poland must take the Autobahn all the way even if it meant a detour (which on the other hand would lead to extra income from refueling and easier supervision). This policy of forcing transit traffic to the Autobahn continued to the end of the regime (Just a few years later the border control at Berlin-Staaken was closed off and replaced with one located on the Autobahn (A111 Heiligensee-Stolpen)). Having traffic on a grade-separated Autobahn was ideal for the authorities.
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Old November 23rd, 2016, 04:31 PM   #1578
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That picture looks like an early plan. Almost none of these motorways existed back then. Many were built in the 1970s, but some lines on that map did only become a reality much later. In 1972, the only motorways in Spain were short stretches around Barcelona and Madrid.

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Also look at the black car in front of Mercedes.
Which looks like a Citroėn AX. My guess is that this picture was taken in the late 1980s.
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Old November 25th, 2016, 03:30 PM   #1579
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Sevilla->Cadiz dates from 1970 I think.
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AP-4 opened to traffic on 1 March 1973.

The old A-4 (now N-IV) between Sevilla and Dos Hermanas opened on 1 July 1968. It was the first high-standard road of Andalusia. Current A-4 was built on a new alignment in 1998, after which the old road was downgraded. I'm not sure if the old route was entirely a controlled-access highway.
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