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Old August 10th, 2017, 03:21 PM   #1681
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The Jakarta-Bogor-Ciawi (Jagorawi) Expressway between 1978-1979

Many ppl in an Indonesian FB group thought that this was built to Korean standards; this is wrong, as it was designed by an American civil engineering firm Sverdrup & Parcel and supervised by another American civil engineering firm Ammann & Whitney. Both firms had merged with different firms of its kind. Only the contractor of the project is Korean: Hyundai Construction Co (now Hyundai E&C)

Built with the cost of $33M (of late 1970s money), the expressway was meant to be free (it was originally called the Jagorawi Freeway/Jalan Bebas Jagorawi) but VERY SHORTLY before opening the then Minister for Public Works suggested the freeway to be tolled, which results in the incorporation of PT Jasa Marga (Indonesia Highway Corporation) --now PT Jasa Marga (Persero) Tbk (publicly traded: IDX:JSMR; 70% stock still owned by state)-- in 1st March 1978

Some claimed that the toll scheme were used to be similar to those of the Meishin/Tomei expressways of Japan until 1972 (where toll will be lifted after construction funds are paid off) but the US/UK intel-backed President Suharto claimed that toll will be put in place on places of high economy on the expressway's inauguration speech

Originally designed for 120km/h speeds, Jasa Marga decreased the speed limits here to 100km/h when they are widening the roads to 3x2, iirc


Funny story though I can imagine that many Indonesians did not like the measure initially. But it is because of these tolls that the roads can be maintained and expanded having pretty good quality standards which otherwise would not be present. Okay, with the exception of few but the Jagorawi does its job well.


Also, the restrictions and limited number of exists makes the motorway feeling more convenient to travel. Therefor a trip from Jakarta to Cirebon feels convenient nowadays, otherwise it would have been clogged and have had bad maintenance, if it even were built. I think many countries of similar income levels should take a look at the Indonesian toll road scheme once the Trans-Java motorway is finished.


No jokes, many similar countries in the region have much more work to do yet. Malaysia is one good example of the good way but Indonesia could be connected better before they reach Malaysia's income level (especially because Sabah and Sarawak are still lacking, when Indonesia is at $7000/capita/year half of Kalimantan and Sulawesi plus all of Sumatra will likely have toll roads).
Thailand is a mess on this thing. Myanmar and Vietnam have not yet really taken off (okay, Da Nang has a toll road and Hanoi-China but they need to clear a lot of land yet, also, the actual first tolled Da Nang road is a fake highway). Philippines has yet to start with planning a large-scale network away from Luzon.


Okay, enough of the praise, because these two years will be years of working hard to finish the almost ~1000km that is under construction today.
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Old August 13th, 2017, 01:31 PM   #1682
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Ok! Back to old bulgarian road videos
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Old August 15th, 2017, 02:37 PM   #1683
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Duplication works of A555 between Bonn and Cologne in 1966.

A555 was the oldest autobahn in Germany and the only one built during Weimar Republic, not counting ASUS in Berlin, as it opened in 1932. Initially, it featured two lanes per direction, without median. Other reichautobahnnen built after 1935 featured a median instead.


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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 15th, 2017, 03:04 PM   #1684
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Some rare colour photos of Reichautobahnnen





















I usually quote the source of online photos, but this time I made an exception, as I don't think this is an acceptable site to be linked there (something quite 'nostalgic' about the era). But those photos are intresting anyway (I don't deliberately visit these sites, I just found it while googling reichautobahn).
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 18th, 2017, 01:12 PM   #1685
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The first cloverleaf interchange in Europe opened in Stockholm in 1935

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 19th, 2017, 12:11 PM   #1686
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A4 near Verona in the 1980s. It was upgraded to 3x2 in the early 1990s.


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Old August 19th, 2017, 12:18 PM   #1687
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Half-profile A10 in Arenzano (near Genoa) in 1959



Rest area of Piani d'Invrea on A10 in 1962



A10 across Pegli (a western suburb of Genoa) in 1967. Only the section Genoa centre - Pegli was duplicated, after Pegli it started the single carriaggeway



A10 near Taggia in 1971



A10 near Arenzano (date unknown but before 1976, when it was duplicated)



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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 19th, 2017, 12:27 PM   #1688
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Workers occupy A4 near Dalmine (Bergamo) during a strike in 1969 1979


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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 19th, 2017, 07:07 PM   #1689
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I think that should be later than 1969, maybe 1979, I see Fiat Ritmo
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Old August 19th, 2017, 08:32 PM   #1690
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Yes, it's later than 1969, there are a lot of car from the 70ies. You see that
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Old August 20th, 2017, 12:40 PM   #1691
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Ford Fiesta mk1, Citroen CX, so must be second half of 1970es.
also Mercedes truck is the type from 70es (1626 probably)
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Some rare colour photos of Reichautobahnnen



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wow, this should be that tunnel near Drackenstein at split section of A8
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Old August 20th, 2017, 01:28 PM   #1693
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Sorry, it was 1979, not 1969, my mistake.
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Old August 20th, 2017, 06:05 PM   #1694
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The first cloverleaf interchange in Europe opened in Stockholm in 1935

When I was visiting Stockholm in the Autumn last year, the whole cloverleaf was in the scaffoldings, fenced with wooden panels. It seemed that the bridge and cloverleaf will be demolished. Which is sad, because as Italystf said, this was the first one.
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Old August 20th, 2017, 06:26 PM   #1695
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Via Anhanguera (sp-330) São Paulo state, Brazil 1955


Via Anhanguera entra São Paulo e Jundiaí (SP) by Werner Keifer, no Flickr



Via Anhanguera entra São Paulo e Jundiaí SP by Werner Keifer, no Flickr


Título- Via Anhanguera (SP) Local- São Paulo Ano- 1955 by Werner Keifer, no Flickr


Via Anhanguera entra São Paulo e Jundiaí SP. by Werner Keifer, no Flickr


Título- Via Anhanguera (SP) Local- São Paulo Ano- 1955 Descrição física- 1 fot. - neg., p&b Série- Acervo dos trabalhos geográficos de campo by Werner Keifer, no Flickr
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When I was visiting Stockholm in the Autumn last year, the whole cloverleaf was in the scaffoldings, fenced with wooden panels. It seemed that the bridge and cloverleaf will be demolished. Which is sad, because as Italystf said, this was the first one.

When Slussen was built it was the single passage between northern and southern Stockholm (later that year in 1935 Västerbron was added, but it is to the very west from Slussen and didn't serve the same inter-city connections as Slussen did). Hence a free-flowing motorway-like structure was a good thing then.
Nowadays its road connections are sleepy compared to the AADT of 80000 it once had 'til the 1970's when Essingeleden and Centralbron were completed. Most traffic between north and south take E4/E20 Essingeleden or Centralbron (which are spectacular in their own right) even if you're going between south-east/north-east of Stockholm (for one thing it's a motorway/semi-motorway, no traffic lights and such that can distract you). Going by Slussen today doesn't save you much time as a motorist in most cases as you'll get stuck at traffic lights and so on if passing through downtown Stockholm.
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Half-profile A8 north of Milan, around 1960. It opened in 1924 (first "autostrada" of Italy and the 2nd carriaggeway was added in 1962.


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Old August 21st, 2017, 11:42 PM   #1698
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When Slussen was built it was the single passage between northern and southern Stockholm (later that year in 1935 Västerbron was added, but it is to the very west from Slussen and didn't serve the same inter-city connections as Slussen did). Hence a free-flowing motorway-like structure was a good thing then.
Nowadays its road connections are sleepy compared to the AADT of 80000 it once had 'til the 1970's when Essingeleden and Centralbron were completed. Most traffic between north and south take E4/E20 Essingeleden or Centralbron (which are spectacular in their own right) even if you're going between south-east/north-east of Stockholm (for one thing it's a motorway/semi-motorway, no traffic lights and such that can distract you). Going by Slussen today doesn't save you much time as a motorist in most cases as you'll get stuck at traffic lights and so on if passing through downtown Stockholm.
Thank you for the explanation.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 10:03 PM   #1699
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A4 Motorway in Katowice near Valley of Three Ponds, 1996.


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Finland

Some pairs of photos:

Helsinki Inner City, 1930s:



Nowadays:



Turku, 1958. The road 8:



Nowadays. Trams disappeared in Turku in the early 1970s:



Särkänsalmi ferry, 1938:



Nowadays, the regional road 189. Bridge opened in 1970.

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