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Old December 6th, 2015, 02:30 PM   #281
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Yeah. All these buildings and roads look nice now, but perhaps in the future if there is no business case to maintain them to a high standard they will become run down and decayed. I'm sure all that communist modern architecture in Eastern Europe was actually pretty sharp when it was brand new, but now of course its left to rot as its purpose in a reformed economy changed regardless of its potential usefulness.

Still, infrastructure is never completely wasteful. People will always need roads to drive on. It's good they are building physical things instead of consumables for a small elite. Who knows.
I agree, good point on infrastructure.
And most of the those building on pictures posted by moderntm have office and commercial space to lease on ground floors, and all the monies they receive from lease they use for maintenance, also, many residents form so called 'housing committees' and collect funds for maintenance and some extra and security services.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 02:44 PM   #282
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Where are the 30000+ people who lived there to go?
My grandmother house was destroyed and she, and my uncle with his family, who lived with granny, got 2 apartments in the old part of the city. Although I missed that house, built by my grandfather very much, and the garden, I must admit, that apartment was much better choice forgranny. At least during her last years she used the normal toilet, instead of sinkpit.

Regarding the 30 000, I think that you are probably referring to the demolition of a part of so called 'dacha' settlement in the north?
It was a summer-cottage settlement during soviet times, but starting from 2000-s many migrant workers have come to Ashgabat attracted by blooming construction industry. Many Ashgabatis started to built illegal housings in that areas to lease it to migrants, and it has become a ghetto with high level of criminal activity. Most of it were built without licences and approvals, that why it's being raized.
Although I personally do not support this approach but this is a reality
For example me, my family and my colleagues started to support a shelter for pets, cats and dogs, who were left homeless after demolition of 'dachas'
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Old December 6th, 2015, 02:57 PM   #283
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Very interesting photos, and thanks for posting them. I think not many people outside of Turkmenistan know that much about it - and especially not how it looks. That said - and this is purely my opinion - I do find the photos quite depressing. There are simply no people (nor private vehicles) in the photos, and I cannot believe these streets will suddenly fill and be brimming with life. It all looks as though some child has been playing on a city-building computer game and has pressed 'copy/paste' a few times too many. The architecture is all-too much on the eye - and comes across as rather vulgar and of too specific a taste. I wonder how much public consultation there was in all this? It all reeks of someone trying too hard to impress the outside world that their country (read: personal ego project) is the best there is. Subtlety in splendour in all this architecture would impress more people, I feel, rather than showing-off.
No one likes a show-off.
Still, I am sure that, indeed, Turkmenistan is a 'paradise on Earth'...
I agree, the new part of the city might be depressing for some. Although, I personally prefer less people more space. But note, that Moderntm posts here mostly new part of the city, but majority of people still live in the old part. Some time ago I posted pictures of the old part, although, the city changes too fast, and some of my pictures are not relevant anymore.

Most of the pictures below were taken by me more than 2 years ago:















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Old December 6th, 2015, 03:00 PM   #284
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1. Are Turkmen citizens allowed to leave and re-enter the country whenever they like?
2. Is there data available about the no. of cars registered to individuals in Turkmenistan, or about the share of the population owning a car?
3. Do cars cost about the same as in Western Europe, or are they significantly more expensive (import taxes, etc)?
4. What is the percentage of resident foreigners in Turkmenistan?
This table is from Euromonitor report on Turkmenistan (2012)

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How much of the 'old' Ashegebat survived the massive earthquake 70 years ago or is it all less than 70 years old???
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Old December 6th, 2015, 03:20 PM   #286
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It looks like the whole city is just an outdoor museum with a very few visitors unless everybody is under housing arrest.

The greatest percentage of "foreigners" is a majority Russian population in a Caspian Sea port city now called "Turkmenbashy" ... Guess they miss Soviets in that country!
Overwhelming majority of Russians, Tatars and other Russian Federation minorities have Dual Russian citizenship, and they can leave to Russia whenever they want. Many have left, but many stayed. For many, especially the older generation, TM is more comfortable.

I also have a nostalgy for Soviet times, although I was a very small kid at that time. Yes, we lived as a one big family in our neighbourhood, but in terms of quality of living the last years of USSR was disastrous - almost no food, kilometre-long lines for bread, everyday power shortages, water only at nights, no clothes or shoes.
At that time Turkmenistan exported more than 100 billion cubic meters of gas to Eastern Europe for symbolic price, but at the same time outside the big cities people used wood to prepare food and keep temperature warm in their houses.
2 years ago I passed thru Kaplankyr nature reserve, and I was amazed how many trees and bushes it has now. When I asked locals what happened, how come that instead of pure desert now I see trees and bushes, and they said than now they have gas in their houses, and they do not have to burn woods anymore.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #287
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How much of the 'old' Ashegebat survived the massive earthquake 70 years ago or is it all less than 70 years old???
Only 3 buildings survived the earthquake, the first Bahai temple, the only restaurant in the city, and the Russian-Turkmen bank (US Embassy now).

Bahai temple was harmed beyond repair and was raized in the 1960s (I'm not sure why, maybe Soiets used this chance to eradicate this religious group).
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Old December 6th, 2015, 06:48 PM   #288
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Old December 7th, 2015, 04:29 PM   #294
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This project. . Has anything happened with it and are there photos ????

http://www.inros-lackner.com/en/proj...y_turkmenistan

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Client: Ministry of Motor Transport of Turkmenistan
Planning: 2015
Construction: 2015 - 2018
Contract price: 1.78 billion euro
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This project in Turkmenistan to construct a motorway between the economic centres of Turkmenbashi and Ashgabat is a key part of the country’s long-term transportation plan. Previously, reliable and quick connections between the country’s two biggest cities were only possible by air. The “Express Highway” also provides a necessary connection to the new international port in Turkmenbashi. Another project to be professionally managed by Inros Lackner, in the role of General Planner, right up to its completion.

The six-lane highway, with a total length of 560 km, connects Turkmenbashi and Ashgabat via the cities of Balkanabat and Serdar. Among others features, the project includes the construction of four motorway service stations, sixteen rest areas, five police stations, a police headquarters, five motorway maintenance facilities and nine toll stations, as well as the required bridges and underpasses.
While the price might seem low the land is cheap( desert) and flat so it could be delivered at $3m a km or so.

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I agree, the new part of the city might be depressing for some. Although, I personally prefer less people more space. But note, that Moderntm posts here mostly new part of the city, but majority of people still live in the old part. Some time ago I posted pictures of the old part, although, the city changes too fast, and some of my pictures are not relevant anymore.

Most of the pictures below were taken by me more than 2 years ago:















I personally find these locations more desirable for living than the vast sparse magestic buildings
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Me too... Too much magnificiency is uglier than extreme poverty... At least for common people, not ministers... But... Nice asphalt... Former USSR is notorious for its f****** quality road surface(as though as not a cent was spent on road repair after WWII , except for LT LV EST BY and... TM???
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Overwhelming majority of Russians, Tatars and other Russian Federation minorities have Dual Russian citizenship, and they can leave to Russia whenever they want. Many have left, but many stayed. For many, especially the older generation, TM is more comfortable.

I also have a nostalgy for Soviet times, although I was a very small kid at that time. Yes, we lived as a one big family in our neighbourhood, but in terms of quality of living the last years of USSR was disastrous - almost no food, kilometre-long lines for bread, everyday power shortages, water only at nights, no clothes or shoes.
At that time Turkmenistan exported more than 100 billion cubic meters of gas to Eastern Europe for symbolic price, but at the same time outside the big cities people used wood to prepare food and keep temperature warm in their houses.
2 years ago I passed thru Kaplankyr nature reserve, and I was amazed how many trees and bushes it has now. When I asked locals what happened, how come that instead of pure desert now I see trees and bushes, and they said than now they have gas in their houses, and they do not have to burn woods anymore.
Still, I think that renaming the most Russian city of TM "Turkmenbashy" is an insult. The whole thing with giant robot-Ruhnamas are an insult, I think even N-Korea doesn't reach that far. They definitely should send some documentary-group to present this remote but seemingly proud country to all Earth. Regardless this, all Turkmenbashy-stuff should be removed before people, who have not lived like this the last 70 years like in N-K (the USSR did never reach such dictatorship so far after 1953), start protesting against Turkmenbashy II's town-for-now-one projects including these empty streets as they neglect or destroy older houses and infrastructure where most of the people lives/most use.

Also, renaming streets (I understand it in the case of commie things but no other) from Moscow Street to some Turkmenbashy's Mother's or Greatness of the Wealth brought by the Power of Turkmenbashy or so is not understandable. Is Turkmenbashy II planning something like Cambodia's "Year Zero"? Hopefully not...

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Is Turkmenbashy II planning something like Cambodia's "Year Zero"? Hopefully not...
He already changed the name of the months with the names of his family members.
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