Which provincial city has the best transport infrastructure?

[Irwell]

Originally Posted by danz013

Just wondering if Leeds, Glasgow, or Manchester have these?

You mean like CityCard Manchester?

http://www.citycardmanchester.co.uk/

[feltip]

Does that do transport Irwell. Doesn't say so on website. I'm referring to Oyster style cards. Nottingham's looks like that.

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by Boards

No, I wouldn't say so. Routes that run from Wigan into Manchester are, I believe the overground operates Wigan to Manchester?

nope

the only way is to go from wigan all the way to bolton, but even then its not covered as overground because the frequency is less than 10 mins

[Irwell]

Originally Posted by feltip

Does that do transport Irwell. Doesn't say so on website. I'm referring to Oyster style cards. Nottingham's looks like that.

I was replying to danz. Our CityCard system is run by the same company as theirs. It also serves as a library card and the like, but no, at the moment it does not work in conjunction with public transport due to the huge number of companies who operate here. It is, however, a part of the TIF bid.

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by Irwell

You've had this explained to you before. The only reason the Huddersfield commuter figure is higher is because you're comparing commuting into the 552 sq km Leeds local authority with those who commute into the 116 sq km Manchester local authority.

Nope, we worked it out for manchester-salford-trafford

and we also looked at the numer of people who commute from the wigan local authority to *any* other L.A within GM and it was still less proportionatly than those who commute to leeds from wakefield, bradford, hudds, dewsbury, and even barnsley.

[Irwell]

Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

nope

the only way is to go from wigan all the way to bolton, but even then its not covered as overground because the frequency is less than 10 mins

I take it the 32 and 33 routes don't exist in wiggley world then? Those are just for Wigan bus station too, never mind the rest of the town or borough.

[danz013]

Originally Posted by Boards

How on earth is Glasgow's subway accessible to 2m people? Is the population of the city centre and the small area around it that the subway serves 2m?

Listen to what you saying Boards.

I'm telling you a subway which is in your city centre is accessible to 2m people and your telling me it isn't. So are you saying the whole of glasgow can not easily access the city centre.

Your subway is convienient way for people living/working/shopping etc in the city centre to get around in. Of course it will have higher usage... anyway fuck all this...

These are the facts -

- We have higher use per head of public transport than you do in glasgow (and anywhere else in the UK)
- We have just as adequate a road system as you do in glasgow
- We have greatr bus coverage that you do in glasgow (and anywhere else in the UK)
- We have cheaper transport than you do in glasgow
- We have more integrated methods than you do in glasgow
- You have no oyster style smart card
- Our transport plan has been given the highest possible ranking

You do have a few advantages...

- You have a better looking train station
- You have more destinations from your airport

I would say the same about Manchester and Leeds. I would also say Leeds and Manchester can access more external destinations by rail than we can. Leeds Airport does not have as much destinations as EMA.

In Summary - I believe Nottingham has the best transport infrastructure outside of London.

[Boards]

Was that when you worked out that entire working age population of the city of Manchester commuted out of the city for work, wiggley? That was a classic

Give us peace, Danz, your talking shite if you think Nottingham has a better transport infrastructure than Glasgow or Manchester. If you look at the figures for bus travel in the whole SPT region its still higher per person than in the Greater Nottingham area, thats taking in the whole SPT network, use in Glasgow itself will be far higher. We have a subway that despite covering a much smaller area serving fewer people than Nottinghams tramline carries more passengers and a rail network of over 180 stations that carry 36m people into the city centre each year to 5.5m in Nottingham. We also have the only urban motorway network in the UK to penetrate wholly into the city and city centre. Glasgow's oyster card is under development you cant just bring these things overnight in a city with such a huge network ( as is true in Manchester ) its far easier too do in large towns like Nottingham.

[danz013]

Originally Posted by Irwell

I was replying to danz. Our CityCard system is run by the same company as theirs. It also serves as a library card and the like, but no, at the moment it does not work in conjunction with public transport due to the huge number of companies who operate here. It is, however, a part of the TIF bid.

Thats not what I mean. I was on about what felip was talking about.

[Irwell]

Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

Nope, we worked it out for manchester-salford-trafford

and we also looked at the numer of people who commute from the wigan local authority to *any* other L.A within GM and it was still less proportionatly than those who commute to leeds from wakefield, bradford, hudds, dewsbury, and even barnsley.

So you compared the 552 sq km of Leeds local authority to an area of 319 sq km and concluded that more people commute into the larger area? I seem to remember the figures you used being highly dubious, though at the moment the reason why isn't coming to me.

[Irwell]

Originally Posted by Boards

Was that when you worked out that entire working age population of the city of Manchester commuted out of the city for work, wiggley? That was a classic

Ah yes, now I remember!

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by Irwell

I take it the 32 and 33 routes don't exist in wiggley world then? Those are just for Wigan bus station too, never mind the rest of the town or borough.

its not on the overground map, meaning not every 10 minutes for firstgroup

[Irwell]

Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

its not on the overground map, meaning not every 10 minutes for firstgroup

You're quite right. They're both every 18 minutes.

[danz013]

Originally Posted by Boards

Give us peace, Danz, your talking shite if you think Nottingham has a better transport infrastructure than Glasgow or Manchester. If you look at the figures for bus travel in the whole SPT region its still higher per person than in the Greater Nottingham area, thats taking in the whole SPT network, use in Glasgow itself will be far higher. We have a subway that despite covering a much smaller area serving fewer people than Nottinghams tramline carries more passengers and a rail network of over 180 stations that carry 36m people into the city centre each year to 5.5m in Nottingham. We also have the only urban motorway network in the UK to penetrate wholly into the city and city centre. Glasgow's oyster card is under development you cant just bring these things overnight in a city with such a huge network ( as is true in Manchester ) its far easier too do in large towns like Nottingham.

Ignoring all the facts... ignoring the obvious. How am I supposed to argue with ignorant people.

I'm off... have a good evening lads....

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by Irwell

So you compared the 552 sq km of Leeds local authority to an area of 319 sq km and concluded that more people commute into the larger area? I seem to remember the figures you used being highly dubious, though at the moment the reason why isn't coming to me.

Leeds boundary 551 sq km

GM boundary 1,276 sq km minus wigan LA size of 188.19 sq km = 1,088 sq mi

I compared the population of wigan LA travelling to work to *any* other LA in GM ( which comprises a massive area of 1,088 sq km and a population of over 2m) to comparing the proportion of population of Kirkless who travel into the Leeds LA (of just 551 sq km, and 750,000 people) and it was still significantly more

It just shows how detatched many of the greater manchester towns are from manchester, whereby a greater proportion of people from even barnsley travel to leeds to work than they do for wigan and bolton travelling to any other part of greater manchester region.

What were those figures again... for wigan, over 98% of the working age population actually work in Wigan or outside of the rest of GM, rather than work in the rest of GM. Thats shocking quite frankly. Nowonder you'd get punched if you tried to convince a wigan lad he's an extended suburb of manchester lol

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by Irwell

You're quite right. They're both every 18 minutes.

exactly. hudds, bradford and wakey have buses to leeds less than 18 minute. *but* not quicker than every 10 minutes it seems. Which puts them in the same category

[Irwell]

But, Wiggles, the population of Kirklees is 25% higher than that of Wigan.

[Bachy Soletanche]

Well... Anyway....

Can you still get return bus tickets in Glasgow?

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by Irwell

But, Wiggles, the population of Kirklees is 25% higher than that of Wigan.

but the proportion of the working age population of kirklees LA who travel into Leeds LA to work was higher than the same for wigan to any the whole of the rest of greater manchester.

you dont always have to be right u know

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by Bachy Soletanche

Well... Anyway....

Can you still get return bus tickets in Glasgow?

why, are u thinking of going?