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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:33 PM   #1
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MISC | How far can you go by rail in 24 hours?

I was intrigued by how far it was possible to go in 24 hours by rail. I have been using this website -
http://jizdnirady.idnes.cz/ConnForm.asp?tt=a&p=MF&cl=E5

I have been working with the stipulation that distance must be measured 'as the crow flys' as I don't feel traveling up and down the same high speed line to be in the spirit of the challenge.

The furthest I have managed to get is Marseille to Norrkoping in Sweeden, a total of 1154 miles or 1857 killometers, using the following trains.

Marseille 18.26 - Paris (Lyon) 21.31
Paris (Nord) 21.55 - Brussels-midi 23.17
Brussels-midi 23.41 - Hamburg 08.12
Hamburg 9.28 - Copenhagen 14.11
Copenhagen 14.23 - Malmo 14.58
Malmo 15.14 - Norrkoping 18.22

I'm not sure if 24 minutes is enough time to transfer between the two Paris stations, but I'd like to try.

The real question is, can anyone get any further?
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:39 PM   #2
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I'm not sure if 24 minutes is enough time to transfer between the two Paris stations, but I'd like to try.
No, it isn't.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:52 PM   #3
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24 minutes is a bit short for a transfer between gare de Lyon and gare du Nord, but it can easily be done using RER A & B or even RER D (a bit more risky though, as there is less traffic on that line).

I think I have found a longer trip :
Seville 16.15
Madrid 18.50-19.00
Poitiers 5.58-6.36
Paris 8.15 (Montparnasse) - 8.55 (Nord)
Köln 12.45 - 13.11
Bremen 16.14

Total : 2085 km in 23.59

Any better solutions ? (maybe with the night train Roma - Paris and then Eurostar and British railways ?)
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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:03 PM   #4
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This was the furthest I could find for Japan.

Otoineppu 18:47 - Sapporo 21:50
Sapporo 22:00 - Aomori 5:35
Aomori 5:52 - Hachinohe 6:48
Hachinohe 6:55 - Tokyo 9:51
Tokyo 10:13 - Hakata 15:30
Hakata 16:10 - Shin-Yachio 17:46
Shin-Yachio 17:49 - Kagoshima-Chuo 18:29
Kagoshima-Chuo 18:39 - Usuki 18:47

Total: 2954.6 km in exactly 24 hours

Here is the route (from A to B)


When the entire section of Kyushu shinkansen is complete in 2011, Hakata and Kagoshima-Chuo will be linked in an hour or so.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:09 PM   #5
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Napoli 16:22
Roma 18:16 18:36
Dijon 6:33 7:44
Lille 10:27 11:01
Calais 11:31
London 14:34

2202 km

long changes
quite much time still left
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Old January 11th, 2008, 05:58 PM   #6
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Probably some connection to north of England would add few additional kms

Example:
Napoli - Newcastle upon Tyne: 2433 km by road, 23:02 hours
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Napoli Centrale Tu, 15.01.08 dep 15:48
Milano Centrale Tu, 15.01.08 arr 22:00

Milano Centrale Tu, 15.01.08 dep 23:35
Dijon Ville We, 16.01.08 arr 06:09

Dijon Ville We, 16.01.08 dep 06:32
Lille Europe We, 16.01.08 arr 09:15

Lille Europe We, 16.01.08 dep 09:15
Lille Europe Eurostar We, 16.01.08 arr 09:45

Lille Europe Eurostar We, 16.01.08 dep 10:09
London St. Pancras International We, 16.01.08 arr 10:38

London St. Pancras International We, 16.01.08 dep 10:38
London Kings Cross We, 16.01.08 arr 10:58

London Kings Cross We, 16.01.08 dep 11:00
Newcastle We, 16.01.08 arr 13:50
I think, this is close to maximum in Europe.

Also, this search engine is probably the best for train connections
http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/que...rotocol=http:&

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Old January 11th, 2008, 07:17 PM   #7
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Shortest distance between :
Napoli & London : 1620 km
Napoli & Newcastle : 1957 km
Otoineppu & Usuki : 1764 km

so Germany / Spain is still a little longer (2085 km), but Italy / UK could have better connections (even if I think that transfer times in Lille & London are actually a bit short to be actually performed)

I used this page to calculate distances : http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-go...calculator.htm

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Old January 11th, 2008, 07:18 PM   #8
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it could be much longer - if you take Eurostar (italian) Napoli - Milano, EN Milano - Paris and ES Paris - London, you make Napoli - London in only 20 hours. and in 4 hours you can still travel a lot!
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Old January 11th, 2008, 07:47 PM   #9
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This was the furthest I could find for Japan.

Otoineppu 18:47 - Sapporo 21:50
Sapporo 22:00 - Aomori 5:35
Aomori 5:52 - Hachinohe 6:48
Hachinohe 6:55 - Tokyo 9:51
Tokyo 10:13 - Hakata 15:30
Hakata 16:10 - Shin-Yachio 17:46
Shin-Yachio 17:49 - Kagoshima-Chuo 18:29
Kagoshima-Chuo 18:39 - Usuki 18:47

Total: 2954.6 km in exactly 24 hours

Here is the route (from A to B)


When the entire section of Kyushu shinkansen is complete in 2011, Hakata and Kagoshima-Chuo will be linked in an hour or so.
So, I actually did that last year. I wanted to see Cape Seta, and have some real Satsuma cuisine in Kagoshima. I was in Japan in March of '04 when the Kyushu Shinkansen opened, and I was vexed that I didn't have a chance to ride then. The other direction, by the way, I used the Sapporo-Tokyo overnight, which was a kick.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 03:16 AM   #10
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once l did Rome to London.
24 hrs almost
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Old January 13th, 2008, 09:32 PM   #11
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I think I have found a longer trip :
Seville 16.15
Madrid 18.50-19.00
Impossible. Madrid have 2 main stations: Atocha and Chamartín. The train Sevilla-Madrid arrives to Atocha, but the train for Paris leaves from Chamartín. They are direct connection with local train, but the time travel are about 20 minutes.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 11:32 PM   #12
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so Germany / Spain is still a little longer (2085 km), but Italy / UK could have better connections (even if I think that transfer times in Lille & London are actually a bit short to be actually performed)
In Lille it is the same station (don't know, what sort of connection is calculated above), so one half a hour between different platforms is probably enough. Also in London there is only 200 metres between two stations, so 20 minutes should be also enough.

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I used this page to calculate distances : http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-go...calculator.htm
Those are straight line distances and I wouldn't count them as relevant. Road distances are probably more relevant, because trains don't run in straight line on longer distances.

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Old January 25th, 2008, 10:19 PM   #13
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From Guangzhou to Beijing by rail is 2294km, in 1997 it took me 26 hours, and 24 hours in 2004, Now i think it'll take around 20 hours. The time will be shorten to 10 hours several years later.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 07:24 PM   #14
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Interesting thread.

From Melbourne's central terminal (Southern Cross) I could travel 1776 km (by route mileage) in 22 hours 49 minutes: To Casino, NSW, almost into Queensland. Since we don't really have what Europeans or Japanese would consider to be "high speed rail", considering the posts above, I'm kinda surprised at this.

This is essentially due to the NSW Government Railway's "Countrylink" services , and, in particular, to a fortuitous connection between services in Sydney. While you can travel from Perth or Bunbury (in the south-west of Australia) to Cairns (in the north-east), services aren't exactly arranged to enable quick transfers: the assumption, is, if you want to get there promptly, you'd fly instead.

I note that the Japanese examples above here don't actually start off from where you are: they start off from where it was prodigious to start. The best I can see so far is, if I started off in "Bacchus Marsh" (at 18:45), on the west of Melbourne, I could do 1828 km to "Casino" (at 18:34 the next day) in 23 hours 49 minutes: certainly not as fast or as far as the Shinkasen, but connections more or less guaranteed (22 minutes to change platforms at the same station in Melbourne, 19 in Sydney).

Someone else in this country might be able to outdo me. According to current timetables, one east-bound Indian Pacific does 1711 km between Kalgoorlie & Port Augusta in 21 hours 20 minutes ... the "Tilt train" travels 1680 km on 3'6" track from Brisbane to Cairns (or back) in 23 hrs 55 mins: allegedly the fastest (long-distance) narrow-gauge service in the world.

Just another challenge: anyone else prepared to match that within national borders?

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Old March 24th, 2008, 11:58 PM   #15
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How far can you go by rail in 24hrs?

If you are queueing up by rail to get into Birmingham(UK) New Street....24hrs will get you,say,5 yards? I'm serious!
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Old March 25th, 2008, 12:06 AM   #16
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No, it isn't.
From Paris-Lyon to Paris-Nord: it's possible to do it in almost than 15' if you got your RER ticket (or a "Navigo" pass) and if you run.
But the best thing is to take a direct train Marseille-Bruxelles without stopping in Paris.
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Old December 28th, 2008, 02:24 PM   #17
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China

Train Z61, Beijing - Changchun, 22:40 - 06:30, 1003 km
Train D24, Changchun - Beijing, 07:13 - 13:29, 1003 km
Train D11, Beijing - Shenyang North, 13:55 - 18:06, 703 km
Train D12, Shenyang North - Beijing, 18:26 - 22:37, 703 km

3412 km

Better solutions may exist...
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Old December 29th, 2008, 01:33 PM   #18
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Napoli 16:22
Roma 18:16 18:36
Dijon 6:33 7:44
Lille 10:27 11:01
Calais 11:31
London 14:34

2202 km

long changes
quite much time still left
Napoli - Edinburgh is possible with around 1 hour changing time in Paris and 40 minutes in London.

Napoli Centrale Mo, 29.12.08 dep 17:54
Bologna Centrale Mo, 29.12.08 arr 22:20
Bologna Centrale Mo, 29.12.08 dep 22:31
Dijon Ville Tu, 30.12.08 arr 06:33
Dijon Ville Tu, 30.12.08 dep 06:52
Paris Lyon Tu, 30.12.08 arr 08:37
Paris Lyon Tu, 30.12.08 walk 15 min.
Paris Lyon Banlieue Tu, 30.12.08
Paris Lyon Banlieue Tu, 30.12.08 dep 08:56
Paris Nord RER Tu, 30.12.08 arr 09:03
Paris Nord RER Tu, 30.12.08 dep 09:03
Paris Nord Eurostar Tu, 30.12.08 arr 09:38
Paris Nord Eurostar Tu, 30.12.08 dep 09:43
London St. Pancras International Tu, 30.12.08 arr 11:19
London St. Pancras International Tu, 30.12.08 dep 11:19
London Kings Cross Tu, 30.12.08 arr 11:39
London Kings Cross Tu, 30.12.08 dep 12:00
Edinburgh Tu, 30.12.08 arr 16:26
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Train Z61, Beijing - Changchun, 22:40 - 06:30, 1003 km
Train D24, Changchun - Beijing, 07:13 - 13:29, 1003 km
Train D11, Beijing - Shenyang North, 13:55 - 18:06, 703 km
Train D12, Shenyang North - Beijing, 18:26 - 22:37, 703 km

3412 km

Better solutions may exist...
It's not according to the requirements not to use the same line twice. Otherwise it's a simple question of basically only speed.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 10:19 PM   #20
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how far does transsiberian train goes in 24hs? there wouldn't be any loses in changing the train...just sit n drive...
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