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Old December 31st, 2008, 01:58 PM   #21
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Train Z61, Beijing - Changchun, 22:40 - 06:30, 1003 km
Train D24, Changchun - Beijing, 07:13 - 13:29, 1003 km
Train D11, Beijing - Shenyang North, 13:55 - 18:06, 703 km
Train D12, Shenyang North - Beijing, 18:26 - 22:37, 703 km

3412 km
Net distance - 0 km

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If we interpret the question as "how far away can you get in 24 hours?", better solutions definitely exist!
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Old December 31st, 2008, 10:02 PM   #22
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Solution:

T504, Qiqihar - Harbin, 11:00 - 13:13, 288 km
D174, Harbin - Shenyang North, 13:18 - 17:24, 546 km
D8, Shenyang North - Beijing, 17:40 - 21:47, 703 km
Z49, Beijing - Nanjing, 22:02 - 07:14, 1162 km
D405, Nanjing - Shanghai, 07:52 - 10:05, 301 km

Total: exactly 3000 km



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If we interpret the question as "how far away can you get in 24 hours?", better solutions definitely exist!

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Old January 1st, 2009, 03:25 PM   #23
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Don't forget that distance must be measured "as the crow flies" - Shanghai is 1806 km away from Qiqihar.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 04:23 PM   #24
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hmm... with Trans-siberian you can get just from Moscow to Yekaterinburg in 24h... just around 1700kms...
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Old January 1st, 2009, 04:29 PM   #25
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Solution:

D24, Changchun - Beijing, 07:13 - 13:29, 1003 km
T13, Beijing - Chenzhou, 13:34 - 07:03, 1926 km

Rail distance: 2929 km
Shortest distance: 2292 km



Route: the line in blue

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Don't forget that distance must be measured "as the crow flies" - Shanghai is 1806 km away from Qiqihar.

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Old January 7th, 2009, 10:38 AM   #26
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Why don't you think about CRH

Train D22 leaves Changchun Station at 15:18 and arrives at Beijing Station at 21:34,1003km;
Train D305 leaves Beijing Station at 21:44 and arrives at Shanghai Station at 07:43 the next day,1463km;
Train D657 leaves Shanghai South Station at 09:30 and arrives at Hangzhou Station at 10:48,173km(Fron Shanghai Station to Shanghai South Station you can choose Shanghai Metro Line 1 or 3) ;
Train D95 leaves Hangzhou Station at 12:37 and arrives at Shangrao Station at 15:02,384km.
So you travel totally 3023km in 23h44min.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #27
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Train D22 leaves Changchun Station at 15:18 and arrives at Beijing Station at 21:34,1003km;
Train D305 leaves Beijing Station at 21:44 and arrives at Shanghai Station at 07:43 the next day,1463km;
Train D657 leaves Shanghai South Station at 09:30 and arrives at Hangzhou Station at 10:48,173km(Fron Shanghai Station to Shanghai South Station you can choose Shanghai Metro Line 1 or 3) ;
Train D95 leaves Hangzhou Station at 12:37 and arrives at Shangrao Station at 15:02,384km.
So you travel totally 3023km in 23h44min.
This is rail distance, not what we are talking about.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #28
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Wick (Scotland) to Penzance (England)...about 860miles

You have to change trains for times and takes exactly 23:12

PENZANCE Leave 15:43 FIRST GREAT WESTERN

TIVERTON PARKWAY Arrive 19:18 Leave 19:37 CROSSCOUNTRY

BIRMINGHAM NEW STREET Arrive 22:06 Leave 22:36 LONDON MIDLAND

CREWE Arrive 23:43 Leave 23:54 FIRST SCOTRAIL

INVERNESS Arrive 08:30 Leave 10:38 FIRST SCOTRAIL

WICK Arrive 14:55
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Old January 7th, 2009, 02:38 PM   #29
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Solution:

D24, Changchun - Beijing, 07:13 - 13:29, 1003 km
T13, Beijing - Chenzhou, 13:34 - 07:03, 1926 km

Rail distance: 2929 km
Shortest distance: 2292 km



Route: the line in blue
A good answer!

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Old January 10th, 2009, 07:46 AM   #30
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It's not according to the requirements not to use the same line twice. Otherwise it's a simple question of basically only speed.
If it's a question of only speed, then one could only take the Beijing-Tianjin line over and over again (there are 5 trains each direction every hour), and then grab the first night D train to Shanghai or somewhere, and in the morning take the Shanghai - Hangzhou D train. I don't think you'll get further in 24 hours anywhere else. That is if you don't consider the transfer time between train stations (Beijing South to Beijing Station).
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Old January 12th, 2009, 01:05 AM   #31
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From Polish Mountains (Krynica Zdroj) to Polish Sea (Kolobrzeg) almost 893 kilometres,
23h 26m and you can be sure it will be late

On this map you have estimate time of that trip for car (13h 21 min)




And here is the polish railways internet timetable for this trip:


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Old January 13th, 2009, 01:02 AM   #32
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don't be mad ,we have "very" quickly trains ;D
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Old January 13th, 2009, 08:11 PM   #33
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2466http://pagesperso-orange.fr/florent.brisou/Lignes.htmFWIW here are the distances by rail for the routes that have been put forward on this thread (I got them from my European railway timetable 2007 book and this website http://pagesperso-orange.fr/florent.brisou/Lignes.htm)

Seville-Bremen is a total of 2964km (although it is impossible to make)

Napoli-Edinburgh is 2883 km

Napoli-Newcastle is 2683km

Marseille-Norrkoping is 2591km

However, I don't really think that the journey should count if you have to use the underground to get from one station to another (Paris), or walk from one station to another (London and Beijing), so in my opinion, the Japanese journey is only one that counts and therefore is the clear winner.

The longest journey I can find in Europe with these new parameters is Napoli Centrale-York (via Sheffield)

1654 Napoli Centrale-Milano Centrale 2229
2335 Milano Centrale-Dijon Ville 0536
0625 Dijon Ville-Lille Europe 0916
1036 Lille Europe-London St Pancras 1122
1155 London St Pancras-Sheffield 1404
1411 Sheffield-Doncaster 1440
1503 Doncaster-York 1526

Total distance 1853km as the crow flies, or 2671km by rail

The train from York carries on to Darlington, and arrives at 1601, which is sligtly over 24 hours. However, it does shoot through (but does not stop at) Northallerton, which is 1900km ATCF and 2719 by rail.

Also, it is possible to get the 1647 from Salerno to Napoli Centrale (arriving 1738), and then the 1754 to Milano Centrale (arriving 2329), this makes for an insanely tight connection at Milano, but if that works out well, you would get a distance of 1940km from Salerno to Northallerton or 2773km by rail.

Some might say though, the connection at St Pancras is not a proper connection, because you have to walk some distance to the Midland Mainline tracks. If that is the case, then the longest journey I have found is from Salerno-Moulin Blanc. This is 1745km ATCF and 2481 km by rail

1544 Salerno-Napoli Centrale 1618
1654 Napoli Centrale-Milano Centrale 2229
2335 Milano Centrale-Dijon Ville 0536
0625 Dijon Ville-Marne-la-Vallee Chessy 0806
0900 Marne-la-Vallee Chessy-Le Mans 1042
1202 Le Mans-Brest 1545

(If you think that stations that the train does not stop at do not count, then the longest would be Salerno-Landerneau (arr 1531). This is 1735km ATCF and 2466km by rail
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Old January 13th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #34
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If it's a question of only speed, then one could only take the Beijing-Tianjin line over and over again (there are 5 trains each direction every hour), and then grab the first night D train to Shanghai or somewhere, and in the morning take the Shanghai - Hangzhou D train. I don't think you'll get further in 24 hours anywhere else. That is if you don't consider the transfer time between train stations (Beijing South to Beijing Station).
Are you sure?

The longest possible distance to do in 24hrs I have found is in France. It 4161km.



2326 Culmont Chalindrey-Avignon Centre 0423 (I estimate that this train goes through Dijon Ville at around midnight) (527km Dijon-Avignon)
0511 Avignon Centre-Paris Lyon 0845 (617km)
Paris Lyon-Chatelet and Back on the Meteor (5km)
0916 Paris Lyon-Marseille Saint Charles 1235 (750km)
1246 Marseille Saint Charles-Avignon TGV 1321
1332 Avignon TGV-Paris Lyon 1615 (750km)
Gare de Lyon-Chatelet and back on the METEOR (5km)
1646 Paris Lyon-Marseille Saint Charles 1958 (750km)
Gare Saint Charles-Cing Avenue/Longchamp and back (3km)
2028 Marseille Saint Charles-Paris Lyon 2347 (750km)
Gare de Lyon-Pyramides on the Metor (3km)

Can anyone find a longer distance?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #35
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Does going back and forth on Shanghai Maglev count? If not, I think trans-Siberia or trans-America rails have a better chance for going to one direction for tens of hours.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 02:59 AM   #36
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These transcontinental railway lines are not high-speed lines though, and in Russia they stop for hours at major stops.

On the fastest train on the Transsiberian route, 1641km are travelled on the first day, 1661 on the second, 1842 on the third, 1420 on the 4th, 1392 on the 5th, 1470 on the 6th and 261 on the last day.

In America, the fastest transcontinental trains are the "Southwest chief travels 2074 km in a day, the "Silver Meteor" travels 1987km in 24 hours.

As for the Shanghai Maglev, it is open between 06:45 and 2130. If you rode it constantly during that time, allowing 5 minutes between the arrival of the train and the departure of the next one, then you would make 68 journeys and cover 2074km. In real life it would obviously be much less.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 07:59 AM   #37
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However, I don't really think that the journey should count if you have to use the underground to get from one station to another (Paris), or walk from one station to another (London and Beijing), so in my opinion, the Japanese journey is only one that counts and therefore is the clear winner.
No, my solution (Changchun - Chenzhou) is the clear winner. No walk/subway transfer from one stations to another.
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Old January 17th, 2009, 06:39 AM   #38
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If you try to start your 24h trip in Europe, I think you should use the new and direct link from Sevilla/Málaga to Barcelona by HSL-AVE. It is about 5h 40 minuts from Málaga to Barcelona, about 1100 Km.
The point is that then you should continue this 24h journey into Europe using the slower French network...

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That wouldn't work. I think the only places where the LAV network connects with the ordinary Spanish network is at Zaragoza and Tardienta. From there you would have to take the slow train to Barcelona or Vitoria to connect with the rest of Europe. The trains far south of France and the far North of Spain are very slow and infrequent, and the line from Toulouse to Paris (which all the sleeper trains travel over) only has 2 TGV's a day which bypass Paris. Taking all this into consideration, the longest distance I could find was from Aachen West to Zaragoza. This is 1148 km as the crow flies.
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That wouldn't work. I think the only places where the LAV network connects with the ordinary Spanish network is at Zaragoza and Tardienta. From there you would have to take the slow train to Barcelona or Vitoria to connect with the rest of Europe. The trains far south of France and the far North of Spain are very slow and infrequent, and the line from Toulouse to Paris (which all the sleeper trains travel over) only has 2 TGV's a day which bypass Paris. Taking all this into consideration, the longest distance I could find was from Aachen West to Zaragoza. This is 1148 km as the crow flies.

http://www.descubrelaaltavelocidad.com/default_en.aspx

The LAV network connects the RENFE network in Barcelona for sure since 2008, and from there you can take an Elipsos hotel train (slow night travel) to Paris, Zurich, Turin or Milano, for example...

http://horarios.renfe.es/hir/index.j...DD&SF=NaN&ID=s

http://horarios.renfe.es/hir/index.j...DD&SF=NaN&ID=s

http://horarios.renfe.es/hir/index.j...DD&SF=NaN&ID=s

http://horarios.renfe.es/hir/index.j...DD&SF=NaN&ID=s

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