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[UnitedPakistan]

In 2010 Pakistan will induct at least 100 J-10 and we will have 30 F-16 MLU including 200-300 JF-17

[Aziz M]

Pakistanunited if you were such an expert in military aviation matters you would realise the nonsensical assertions you just made are 'hot air'.

Either you don't know what the word induct means or you have absolutely no notion of what a military purchase is.

100 J-10's by 2010??? Come on, the aircraft cannot realistically be inducted before 2007/08, Even at an optimistic rate of 24 per annum we could only hope to have a maximum of 48-60 by 2010.

200-300 JF-17's by 2010??? This is the most ridiculous statement made so far. The JF-17 will not be inducted until 2006 when 6 will be inducted for extensive trials and familiarisation training. The year after 14-20 will be inducted and then 20 per annum after that. So by the end of 2010, the absolute maximum inducted will be 86.

The reason I asked whether you were a member of Pakdef was because it would help you understand more about Pakistan's military and not make childlike sweeping statements.

PAK2000 - Pakistan does not possess any J-10's, China doesn't officially acknowledge that the aircraft exists!!! Pakistan will probably buy it, but not for a few years yet.

Aziz

[UnitedPakistan]

Originally Posted by Aziz M

Pakistanunited if you were such an expert in military aviation matters you would realise the nonsensical assertions you just made are 'hot air'.
Either you don't know what the word induct means or you have absolutely no notion of what a military purchase is.
100 J-10's by 2010??? Come on, the aircraft cannot realistically be inducted before 2007/08, Even at an optimistic 200-300 JF-17's by 2010??? This is the mrate of 24 per annum we could only hope to have a maximum of 48-60 by 2010.
ost ridiculous statement made so far. The JF-17 will not be inducted until 2006 when 6 will be inducted for extensive trials and familiarisation training. The year after 14-20 will be inducted and then 20 per annum after that. So by the end of 2010, the absolute maximum inducted will be 86.
The reason I asked whether you were a member of Pakdef was because it would help you understand more about Pakistan's military and not make childlike sweeping statements.
PAK2000 - Pakistan does not possess any J-10's, China doesn't officially acknowledge that the aircraft exists!!! Pakistan will probably buy it, but not for a few years yet.

Aziz

Escuse me!

but i dont know what your problem is i guess your probaly ticked off because i insulted the allmighty JF-17

you idiot i was giving him what our airforce would look like after 2010!

Not saying that in 2010 we will induct 100 aircrafts!

thats impossible!!!

i dont need to familarize myself with the military yet it is you who needs to!

i have you know that i used to own a Military site

[Aziz M]

Originally Posted by PakistanUnited

In 2010 Pakistan will induct at least 100 J-10 and we will have 30 F-16 MLU including 200-300 JF-17

So are you agreeing with me that you do not know the meaning of 'induct'. Your statement states that 'in 2010 Pakistan will induct', this means bring into service, you should be more precise in your language.

Also, it's 'excuse me' not eScuse me, but I digress.

I'm not interested in starting an argument over who knows more about military affairs e.g. my dad's bigger than yours, I prefer to stick to the facts.

You may have owned a military web-site at one stage, can you provide me with a URL? If the web-site is now defunct I ask myself why? It is all very well owning a web-site, but what information did it contain and why was it not very popular (if indeed this was the case).

You have still provided no viable information as to why the JF-17 is 'a crappy plane'. We have established that it is BVR equipped, gives Pakistan a domestic aerospace capacity, has similar agility to early block F-16's, is able to deal with over 80% of India's current or projected combat aircraft and is reasonably priced, if you still don't get it then you may not be the aviation expert you profess to be. Your non membership of Pakdef also surprises me considering it is THE online resource point for Pakistani military news.

Anyway, i'm not interested in getting involved in a purile discussion with you, please provide factually correct information or don't bother replying.

Aziz

[UnitedPakistan]

Originally Posted by Aziz M

So are you agreeing with me that you do not know the meaning of 'induct'. Your statement states that 'in 2010 Pakistan will induct', this means bring into service, you should be more precise in your language.

Also, it's 'excuse me' not eScuse me, but I digress.

I'm not interested in starting an argument over who knows more about military affairs e.g. my dad's bigger than yours, I prefer to stick to the facts.

You may have owned a military web-site at one stage, can you provide me with a URL? If the web-site is now defunct I ask myself why? It is all very well owning a web-site, but what information did it contain and why was it not very popular (if indeed this was the case).

You have still provided no viable information as to why the JF-17 is 'a crappy plane'. We have established that it is BVR equipped, gives Pakistan a domestic aerospace capacity, has similar agility to early block F-16's, is able to deal with over 80% of India's current or projected combat aircraft and is reasonably priced, if you still don't get it then you may not be the aviation expert you profess to be. Your non membership of Pakdef also surprises me considering it is THE online resource point for Pakistani military news.

Anyway, i'm not interested in getting involved in a purile discussion with you, please provide factually correct information or don't bother replying.

Aziz

Dont be a smart ass with me


Reasons why the JF-17 is not fit for Pakistan:

1. No anti-ship role or any planning to do so

• The Indian navy is larger
• We dont have enough ships to protect our coast

I have not heard of any plans to equip it with an AShM so the Mirage 5PA3s will serve on for some time in the maritime strike role.


the JF-17 was supposed to replace most of our current fleet namely the Mirage and the A-5's but looks like until those J-10's come in we are gonna be screwed.

Anyways, since i no longer pay much attension to the military can you please tell me if the stupid Sweedish Saab Awacs went through?

[UnitedPakistan]

Pakistan will have the J-10 option available by 2010 and will most likely get ToT or at least pursue it.


here are some pictures

[UnitedPakistan]

WS-10A testing

Lets hope its a sucess Chinese cant really make good turbofans

[Aziz M]

You are totally wrong. Currently PAF only has 12 Mirage 5PA's equiped to fire the Exocet anti-ship missile. The JF-17 will be equiped with a wide variety of air to air and air to ground munition, this is more than likely to include the C-802 long range anti ship missile (Chinese copy of Exocet).

Pakistan's navy is also being considerably strengthened with

- 3-5 more domestically produced Agosta submarines in the pipeline.
- 4 Jiangwe II Frigates with technology transfer being ordered.
- 8 P3C Orions being ordered taking our total to 10 (exceptional coverage of
our coastline).
- 4 Z-9 Helicopters to be ordered in the Anti SUb role.
- 4 Fast attack vessels ordered.
- 4 Special service vessels on order.

The JF-17's will replace the Mirages and A5's as part of the lo-mix and additional F-16's and potential J-10's will be force additions and be the hi-mix.

I don't know why you refer to the Saab AWACS as stupid. But anyway, it was tested in Pakistan late last year, no news on the outcome and the next official news we can probably expect is an order. Strong rumours are circulating that the Saudi's may come in on the project and fund it in exchange for sending Pakistani forces to KSA.

Aziz

[UnitedPakistan]

I didnt call the specific AWAC's stupid i was just showing my frustration with the AWACS deal

[Aziz M]

Ok, but hopefully your frustration will soon be at an end when a deal is signed.

Aziz

[UnitedPakistan]

if it gets signed remember the Gripens

[HasanB]

Saudis want Pakistani troops in Saudi ?? Now that would certainly be interesting !! Why do they want us there ?

[UnitedPakistan]

To protect the "royal" family


We have many Special Services Group soldiers in Saudi Arabia

I have even heard that they want us to build Nuclear Silo's and we control it!!!!

[HasanB]

Originally Posted by PakistanUnited

To protect the "royal" family


We have many Special Services Group soldiers in Saudi Arabia

I have even heard that they want us to build Nuclear Silo's and we control it!!!!

Now that is certainly interesting ... can you imagine our troops on the soil of firstly the holiest land in Islam ... and secondly well our troops will therefore be in and controlling parts of Saudi. I think it may be a sort of changeover whereby a number of American forces would leave ... to be replaced by the forces of a muslim country. I think thats what they may be trying to do.

[UnitedPakistan]

Did you know that the Saudi family built a palace OVERLOOKING MECCA!

HOW SCREWED UP IS THAT?

i say pull everything and everyone we got thier

[cntower]

F-16 A&B

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JF-17 (FC-1/Super-7)

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Army Photos

Special Services Group (SSG) Commandos

[cntower]

I'll post more later...

[cntower]

I'll post more later!