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Old April 3rd, 2008, 08:09 PM   #1201
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yea it does look cartoonish but it'll look better in person
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 08:27 PM   #1202
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I'm on record as saying I think the downtown sign ordinance is way too restrictive. It makes even full buildings often look vacant.

The use of neon and metal could be nice, if it really comes off as appropriately retro. Lots of us go "ooh and ahh" at places like Times Square or Tokyo or Seoul. There's nothing wrong with lots of bright signage if done tastefully and they keep it lit most of the time. If this is really all neon and the metal is good and shiny, I think it could be decent.

This is basically adaptive reuse of an existing structure. It's not my preferred development for the corner, but it doesn't preclude doing something better later.
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 08:28 PM   #1203
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 08:28 PM   #1204
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The socio-economic situation in center twp is a major issue. The school funding formula is also a problem. Center Twp has blocks and blocks of tax exempt buildings - government, religious, educational, which means the effective tax rate for IPS has to be higher than it would be in the townships, especially Pike. While the townships might pay more in real $$, I would venture that as a percentage of their worth, they pay less than Center Twp. Relativity, baby!
1. Big chunks of Washington and Warren Twps. and smaller slices of Wayne, Pike, and Lawrence Twps. are in IPS.

2. The last "stat" I read on the topic had 45% of Center Twp. as tax-exempt land held by Fed, State, and City offices, IUPUI, Wishard, Methodist, Convention Center, stadiums, White River State Park, zoo, museums, parks (Riverside Park, Riverside GC, Coffin GC, Spades, Brookside, Christian, Garfield, Washington), schools (IPS, private, and charter), and churches. Many of those uses are regional or statewide, yet the burdens of the tax exemption are borne mainly by Center Twp. residents.
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 09:04 PM   #1205
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The state taking over the police and fire pensions should be good for Center Township.

Did the IPD-Sheriff's merger eliminate the special levy for IPD?

The complete consolidation of townships would eliminate some of the disparities, but school districts are probably a non-starter absent a court order of some kind, and mandates like that have gone out of fashion. (Louisville, Kentucky and Jefferson County have a consolidated school system countywide thanks to just such a court order in the 1970's). I'm not sure school consolidation is even the right answer anyway. It certainly isn't a panacea for what ails IPS.
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 09:23 PM   #1206
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The state taking over the police and fire pensions should be good for Center Township.

Did the IPD-Sheriff's merger eliminate the special levy for IPD?

The complete consolidation of townships would eliminate some of the disparities, but school districts are probably a non-starter absent a court order of some kind, and mandates like that have gone out of fashion. (Louisville, Kentucky and Jefferson County have a consolidated school system countywide thanks to just such a court order in the 1970's). I'm not sure school consolidation is even the right answer anyway. It certainly isn't a panacea for what ails IPS.
School district consolidation would help, at least with the IPS district tax burden, and the school choice options for IPS students. The bigger issue is the working and non-working poor in the center of the city, and the opportunities available to them. Nearly all "city" school districts in the country are hurting, mostly because of the legacy of racial apartheid the helped draw those boundaries.
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 09:34 PM   #1207
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Indianapolis is in the national news ... thanks to ATA and it's ceasing of flights leaving passangers stranded. Economy sucks.
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 11:09 PM   #1208
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 11:17 PM   #1209
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Hope you don't mind my poaching, but someone was bound to do this:

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Old April 4th, 2008, 12:05 AM   #1210
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Clever. Subtle. Retro.

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Old April 4th, 2008, 12:13 AM   #1211
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Right back at ya. Thanks.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 02:20 AM   #1212
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That's awesome
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Old April 4th, 2008, 03:07 AM   #1213
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Indianapolis is in the national news ... thanks to ATA and it's ceasing of flights leaving passangers stranded. Economy sucks.
It was all over National Public radio today. Employees coming to work- wherever, and cannot get clearance to enter the airport employee areas with their id's. People getting screwed over on their flights... Would have been nice to see a big Indianapolis airline making it and garnering respect, instead of this.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 01:01 AM   #1214
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Move to the suburbs and your taxes go down while your school quality goes up.
Since the "suburbs" have a much wealthier population, the tax rate doesn't have to be as high to bring in the needed tax revenue.

And when those suburbs get enough people, taxes will have to go up to expand the infrastructure and build more schools.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 01:03 AM   #1215
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Quite telling that you resort to ad hominem in the first line of your retort. Quite adult of you. Now, back to the relevant facts.

First, which alternative fuels would be speaking of? You mean the $40 billion that was poured into electrovoltaics over 25 years to attain an increase from 2% efficiency to 4% efficiency? Sounds like great investment. And it is wonderful that you call me out for "libertarian fantasies" when you admit yourself that it was government involvement in properly private concerns that led to fossil fuel dependence(an idea I would sort of agree with, especially as applies to the federal highway system, zoning, and FHA/HUD). But apparently now that the government in the past made a big boo-boo, the answer is to trust the government to not make another big boo-boo? That's malarkey. Let people put their own money where their mouth is and invest in the technologies that their own informed judgment says will succeed. Sorry you think that only a special class of human beings called "politicians" have the ability to make important decisions, and the rest of us are ignorant sheep. I'm sure your union boss loves you for it though.

As far as environmental damage from North Shore drilling, yeah it's rough, people would have to be able to live there. People would like, engage in commerce and trade and learn and prosper and all that. Dirty industry and capitalism. Letting all those Inuit people get out of their shitty standard of living and have a better life for their families - a style of life they consistently tell us they want. I mean, if they increase their incomes to something like the American average we can't make 9 o'clock news specials and internet documentaries about their plight and show how compassionate we are. You make me sick. WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. Don't like what that means, shoot yourself - I kind of like life. I also think that people actually try to do good things with their life and want to make good decisions. And well, the law of nature is the strong survive and it seems that the human species is gonna keep surviving the only way it can with any success. And that is by using their brain and coming up with better and more efficient ways to accomplish their needs.

As far as the amount of oil it would provide, it came from a USGS survey, like I said in my post. It was quoted on Wikipedia, which linked to the report, which I then read. I wouldn't call the USGS pro-drilling. So actually, the estimate might be on the low end. As far as prices go, OPEC sets production rates for their member producers, not the price. The international oil market sets the price by supply and demand. If OPEC cuts supply, prices go up. If demand goes up, and supply stays the same, prices go up. Demand drops and/or production increases, price goes down. I actually think that this oil would not be put on the international market, and would be sold at some below-market price that would still provide a nice margin for the drillers. That's what the government does, and I'm not in support of it.

And if after the 1 whole degree of warming that occurred in the eighties and nineties has been wiped out on a global basis in the last ten years(with a relative decrease in solar activitiy during the decrease as opposed to the time of the increase), and you still believe in this wacko theory promulgated by unions, socialist, democrats, Marxists, centrist Republicans, anarchist and left-leaning libertarians and special interest groups, I don't think further discussion with you would be prudent. I would fall on deaf ears, or a dull mind. When your "experts" who have never studied climatology or meteorology decide whether it's "global warming" or "global cooling" let me know. I'll stick with the 250 real climatologists that are not working under research grants or hired by lobbying firms that recently said that there is not only not a case based in evidence for anthropomorphic climate change, there is no basis for a claim of a marked increase in either global mean temperature or high intensity storms. But whatever, stick with your proletarian fantasies, I'm done discussing this issue with you. Let's get back to talking about the topic of this forum, development in Indy. I'm sorry to the forum for allowing this to get off topic.


Some people are truly hopeless. So many lies, where to begin?

Mankind relies on healthy ecosystems to survive. We as a species are not immune from the environmental devastation we create. The fact that your posts indicate the opposite is truly disheartening.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 02:43 AM   #1216
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Are the donuts good?
Try the bowties. There is a specific way to eat them with the coffee. I have it down to a science and everyone thinks I am nuts, until they try it. Take a bite, then chew a few times, take a sip of coffee and chew again. I came up with it in Belgium 20 years ago with their pastries. Sounds stupid, but those bowties are great that way. Ok, slow on here, but I wish that more d-d stores were around in Indy. They are all over Northern Indiana.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 05:59 PM   #1217
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Yet another sign that Indy and Columbus are darn near identical. Early this week Indy based ATA abruptly ceases operations. Today, Columbus based Skybus does the same.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...M.html?sid=101
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Old April 5th, 2008, 07:19 PM   #1218
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Does that bode ill for ISO? (grinning, ducking and running)
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Old April 6th, 2008, 12:52 AM   #1219
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Quite telling that you resort to ad hominem in the first line of your retort. Quite adult of you. Now, back to the relevant facts.

First, which alternative fuels would be speaking of? You mean the $40 billion that was poured into electrovoltaics over 25 years to attain an increase from 2% efficiency to 4% efficiency? Sounds like great investment. And it is wonderful that you call me out for "libertarian fantasies" when you admit yourself that it was government involvement in properly private concerns that led to fossil fuel dependence(an idea I would sort of agree with, especially as applies to the federal highway system, zoning, and FHA/HUD). But apparently now that the government in the past made a big boo-boo, the answer is to trust the government to not make another big boo-boo? That's malarkey. Let people put their own money where their mouth is and invest in the technologies that their own informed judgment says will succeed. Sorry you think that only a special class of human beings called "politicians" have the ability to make important decisions, and the rest of us are ignorant sheep. I'm sure your union boss loves you for it though.

As far as environmental damage from North Shore drilling, yeah it's rough, people would have to be able to live there. People would like, engage in commerce and trade and learn and prosper and all that. Dirty industry and capitalism. Letting all those Inuit people get out of their shitty standard of living and have a better life for their families - a style of life they consistently tell us they want. I mean, if they increase their incomes to something like the American average we can't make 9 o'clock news specials and internet documentaries about their plight and show how compassionate we are. You make me sick. WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. Don't like what that means, shoot yourself - I kind of like life. I also think that people actually try to do good things with their life and want to make good decisions. And well, the law of nature is the strong survive and it seems that the human species is gonna keep surviving the only way it can with any success. And that is by using their brain and coming up with better and more efficient ways to accomplish their needs.

As far as the amount of oil it would provide, it came from a USGS survey, like I said in my post. It was quoted on Wikipedia, which linked to the report, which I then read. I wouldn't call the USGS pro-drilling. So actually, the estimate might be on the low end. As far as prices go, OPEC sets production rates for their member producers, not the price. The international oil market sets the price by supply and demand. If OPEC cuts supply, prices go up. If demand goes up, and supply stays the same, prices go up. Demand drops and/or production increases, price goes down. I actually think that this oil would not be put on the international market, and would be sold at some below-market price that would still provide a nice margin for the drillers. That's what the government does, and I'm not in support of it.

And if after the 1 whole degree of warming that occurred in the eighties and nineties has been wiped out on a global basis in the last ten years(with a relative decrease in solar activitiy during the decrease as opposed to the time of the increase), and you still believe in this wacko theory promulgated by unions, socialist, democrats, Marxists, centrist Republicans, anarchist and left-leaning libertarians and special interest groups, I don't think further discussion with you would be prudent. I would fall on deaf ears, or a dull mind. When your "experts" who have never studied climatology or meteorology decide whether it's "global warming" or "global cooling" let me know. I'll stick with the 250 real climatologists that are not working under research grants or hired by lobbying firms that recently said that there is not only not a case based in evidence for anthropomorphic climate change, there is no basis for a claim of a marked increase in either global mean temperature or high intensity storms. But whatever, stick with your proletarian fantasies, I'm done discussing this issue with you. Let's get back to talking about the topic of this forum, development in Indy. I'm sorry to the forum for allowing this to get off topic.
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Old April 6th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #1220
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Here's a must-read report for anyone who is as big a data junkie as I am. A group called the Columbus Partnership did a benchmarking survey for that city, which compares the against 15 other cities, including Indy, Nashville, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, etc. It's nominally a Columbus report, but the same level of data is available for every city. There's plenty to digest here.

http://www.communityresearchpartners...hio%202008.pdf

Indianapolis was number #1 in their survey for affordable housing. However, it was dead last in number of LEED certified buildings.
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