daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on one

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Continental Forums > OZScrapers > Urban Spaces > Archives


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old November 25th, 2002, 05:06 PM   #81
DUTCH
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

It's always been 249, only now it's rated to spire as it should be.

Strangely all the local publication i've seen on central park has stated it's 262m, most recently in an article in the paper about the towers' structural engineer.
 

Sponsored Links
 
Old November 25th, 2002, 05:08 PM   #82
DamienK
Registered User
 
DamienK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Perth
Posts: 3,259
Likes (Received): 13

On Sat I went and had a look at Woodside, looks to be near or just at 100 m high (at the core). I really like the colour of the glass! The facade reminds me of the blgs at Canary Wharf, somehow. Cladding at the 8th level, frame at 15, core at 21. The tower will have 31 floors including plant rooms, and will be 126.85 m from ground level.

I'll get my pics on here soon. I still haven't found out the height of the spire, so I'll probably ask at blg management after completion.
__________________
21st Century Coeds - Some things never change
Read the webcomic
DamienK no está en línea  
Old November 25th, 2002, 05:17 PM   #83
DamienK
Registered User
 
DamienK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Perth
Posts: 3,259
Likes (Received): 13

262 is the RL height, or height above sea level of the mast. After Sep 11 there was a comparison of the WTC to CP, and they listed it at 224 m. Close enough, I guess. I've seen the official "book" on Central Park at the architects' office, and it seemed to always have a spire on top, even in early renderings.
__________________
21st Century Coeds - Some things never change
Read the webcomic
DamienK no está en línea  
Old November 25th, 2002, 05:21 PM   #84
DUTCH
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

Where did you find 126.85?

It seems to be flat on 100m, it couldn't be any less at the moment and there is still 8+ plant rooms to go?

If at 100 its 21 floors then 31 must be 147 which seems about right.

If it's to be 126 then it cant be more than 85m at the moment, which doesnt work.
 
Old November 25th, 2002, 05:38 PM   #85
DamienK
Registered User
 
DamienK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Perth
Posts: 3,259
Likes (Received): 13

From one of the architects himself! I have the other figures too:

Spire unknown!
Ornamentation 126.85
Plant room 31 120.77
"Main" roof 109.9

And some figures for width. . . 65, 49 and 36.5 m as the building rises.

I've done that with all Perth's 10 tallest buildings (calling up blg management, architects) I know the heights to spire, plantroom, roof or parapet to 1 or 2 decimal places! Where the staircases are! But not memorised! Also copies of blueprints, site plans, sections and articles. I got some good articles from the Architectural Resource Centre in Curtin Uni.
__________________
21st Century Coeds - Some things never change
Read the webcomic
DamienK no está en línea  
Old November 25th, 2002, 05:43 PM   #86
DUTCH
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

nice, keep up the good work.

Ok we are getting screwed. If thats the case, the level numbers do not start from first floor as there is 23 levels of office space, so another 2 +plant rooms+ roof might equal around 126 ..with some fudging.
 
Old November 26th, 2002, 03:22 AM   #87
WÆROM
formely known as "wadems"
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 44
Likes (Received): 0

Quote:
Originally posted by DamienK
262 is the RL height, or height above sea level of the mast. After Sep 11 there was a comparison of the WTC to CP, and they listed it at 224 m . Close enough, I guess. I've seen the official "book" on Central Park at the architects' office, and it seemed to always have a spire on top, even in early renderings.
After Sep 11 did they compare WTC against CP as well? Was it on channel 7 cause channel 7 up here compared WTC to CP1. Fuck it made CP1 looks like a matchstick, hehe. Would have been good if they tried to compare WTC to Bris Central or Mizunno, but in order for that to have happened theywould have had to have been built. god darn it, hehe.

Oh and if CP is 249m to spire than Brisbane wins again cause Riparian is 250m to spire. only by 1m but still taller all the same.
__________________
The board is set......The peices are moving......We come to it at last, the great battle of our time - Gandalf the White [Lord Of The Rings : The Return Of The King]
WÆROM no está en línea  
Old November 26th, 2002, 03:58 AM   #88
DUTCH
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

Riparian does not have a "spire"


"Oh and if CP is 249m to spire than Brisbane wins again cause Riparian is 250m to spire. only by 1m but still taller all the same."

We can see your motive to post here, clearly your contributions to this thread have been about brisbane "winning", we all noticed it in your first post. grow up.
 
Old November 26th, 2002, 05:52 AM   #89
chrisaus
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 7,515
Likes (Received): 0

CP is 249m to the spire i think?
chrisaus no está en línea  
Old November 26th, 2002, 06:04 AM   #90
NZer
De-regulate them hours.
 
NZer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Perth
Posts: 1,982
Likes (Received): 5

Quote:
Originally posted by Mickeebee
JAYT only says that stuff cause' he knows that redneck Brizzy will never have a bulding as tall as any of Perth's tallest....NEVER!
That's some fine shit stirring!
NZer no está en línea  
Old November 26th, 2002, 08:12 AM   #91
WÆROM
formely known as "wadems"
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 44
Likes (Received): 0

Quote:
Originally posted by DUTCH
Riparian does not have a "spire"


"Oh and if CP is 249m to spire than Brisbane wins again cause Riparian is 250m to spire. only by 1m but still taller all the same."

We can see your motive to post here, clearly your contributions to this thread have been about brisbane "winning", we all noticed it in your first post. grow up.
I said the thing about Brisbane winning was to get under your skin and irritate the shit out of ya which works all the time, hehe Saying that Central Park is 249m (to the spire) is just bogus bullshit that you have sprouted to make CP seem taller. Also mentioning that Brisbane will "NEVER" have a building tall as Perth. Hmm...why would you want to do that unless you wanted to "outdo" Brisbane. Just throwin back at ya what ya dished out

Maybe you and I have seen different renderings of Riparian cause all the ones i have seen have a spire on it.
__________________
The board is set......The peices are moving......We come to it at last, the great battle of our time - Gandalf the White [Lord Of The Rings : The Return Of The King]
WÆROM no está en línea  
Old November 26th, 2002, 10:50 AM   #92
DUTCH
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

Central park is 249m to the spire.
Have a look outside the ozscrapers forum into rate the worlds top 100, central park is 79. Have a look on skyscrapers.com top 100 , central park is 249m , 81st tallest in the world.

It was not me who said brisbane will never have one taller.
So please do me a favour and pay more attention.

thats about all i can take of this thread.
 
Old November 26th, 2002, 12:42 PM   #93
chrisaus
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 7,515
Likes (Received): 0

don't include the spire
they suck !
chrisaus no está en línea  
Old November 26th, 2002, 12:56 PM   #94
DUTCH
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

With central park you have to include the spire as it's part of the structure much as empire state or petronas, the central park structure is incomplete without the spire.
 
Old November 27th, 2002, 09:52 AM   #95
jason_183
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

OK OK OK...Gentlemen...please!
Me, being from Melbourne feel as though I am somewhat of an impartial moderator between the two sides in this debate, namely Perth vs. Brisbane.

Now, firstly, let's not single out individual structures (i.e. Central Park vs. Riparian Plaza) as a way of determining which city has the best skyscrapers. If this was the case, Perth wins hands down, having currently two structures officially taller than anything Brisbane has ever seen (Central Park 249m, Bankwest 214m, versus the tallest compleated structure in Brisbane, Central Plaza at 174m) And NOBODY will argue with these figures because they would be both childly and wrong.

Let's look at the respective skylines as a whole, with Perth again winning hands down with their magnificently rich, athletic, powerful skyline situated on arguably one of the most picturesque metropolitain rivers in the world. Place this against the mudpit that Brisbane calls a body of water (Again, you will not compare this to the Yarra as this topic is purely Perth vs. Brisbane), and most non-Brisbane residents will humbly concede that my conclusion was obviously correct.

I also wish to address a debate in this topic about Perth being or not being a so-called 'corporate' city. Let me comment on this by saying that Perth has more millionaires per capita than anywhere else in Australia. Perth, seemingly a playground for the rich (Just pick up this years copy of the BRW Rich 200) has many of the world's largest resource corporations establish their world headquarters in that city. And if anyone tries to shoot this fact down by suggesting that this was not a debate on who is the wealthiest out of Perth and Brisbane, then they can forget commenting because I just made it the debate (although it's hardly a 'debate').

Consider this (from the current BRW Rich 200); - Of the richest 25 people in Australia, Perth has 5, Brisbane has zero, (note Perth's five are ; Kerry Stokes (Channel 7, $1.2 Billion), Stan Perron ($800 Million), John Roberts (Multiplex, $800 Million), Ralph Sarich ($650 Million), Len Buckeridge (BGC, $600 Million), compared to the richest person in Qld, Gordon Merchant ($520 Million), who lives on the Goldcoast (not Brisbane). Also, of the top 50 richest in Australia, Perth's total wealth=$5.295 Billion, Brisbane's total wealth=$1.453 Billion (I was generous and included the $520 Million of Gordon Merchant). And then there's Perth's history of producing infamous millionaires e.g. Robert Holmes a Court, Lang Hancock, Alan Bond, Laurie Connell, and the adorable Rose. Brisbane, the fact of life for you is that all you seem to be good at is tourism and growing bananas...face it that your city has no REAL money in it. What an interesting lifestyle you must have...ever considered living down here in Melbourne, or even your superior's Perth? I guess you have but couldn't afford it.

Perth wins.
 
Old November 27th, 2002, 10:01 AM   #96
23knots
Registered User
 
23knots's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London/Hong Kong/Bournemouth
Posts: 160
Likes (Received): 2

I heard just today that Central Park could have been much higher. The lift core was going to carry on rising but the decision was made to stop and cap the building off at "51" storeys!

Hmmmm...fact or fiction.
__________________
10-12
23knots no está en línea  
Old November 27th, 2002, 10:03 AM   #97
DUTCH
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

hehe what a great read. Nice to see an impartial view point.

I was recently at barrick gold formerly homestake, which is the second largest gold mining company in the world and their only corporate headquarters in Australia is in Perth. Just for a nice little example.
 
Old November 27th, 2002, 11:35 AM   #98
Mickeebee
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

here here Jason 183...I'm with you
 
Old November 27th, 2002, 01:21 PM   #99
perthsmike
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

i like the argument jason 183. totally agree

another example is woodside. i hav just been to karratha the last few days and toured around there HUGE liquid gas processing facility. it is absolutely amazing. there are 11 cranes (2 being the biggest in the state) currently working to create a fourth processing 'train'. ive never seen anuthing so bloody massive! (will post pics soon) woodside are huge here...

mike
 
Old November 27th, 2002, 01:45 PM   #100
Vile Tower
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Likes (Received):

Who cares!!?!?!?

Woodside has climbed another level, now showing 21 or 22 under the box.......

Can we keep on topic here or what??
 


Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT +2. The time now is 04:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like v3.1.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2013 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2013 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. (Resources saved on this page: MySQL 23.08%)

SkyscraperCity - In Urbanity We Trust

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu