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Old September 11th, 2006, 10:39 AM   #181
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nice , isn't GF38 not becoming a toy of Japanese investors ?
can you give me the link for the page you posted on Ligue2 s.v.p. ?
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Old September 11th, 2006, 12:23 PM   #182
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yes they are the toys of the Index corporation...Good for them big city they could draw a big crowd if they have the right stadium don't ask me if I like this one...
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Old September 11th, 2006, 01:59 PM   #183
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nice , isn't GF38 not becoming a toy of Japanese investors ?
Yes it can be a problem.
When the new Japanese president of the GF38 came the first time in Grenoble, he said "Grenoble will win the Champion's league in the 5 years' time" !! With this kind of talks we can't say that he knows a lot about football... I hope I'm wrong.
Moreover it's also true when you see the story about the Japanese player Masashi Oguro... This player was imposed to the coach last year but he didn't want to come in Grenoble (in his mind it was not enough prestigious). Finally after 6 months he came but he was no more useful because the team was not built around him. So he leaved the club this month and signed with the Torino...
After several months and a lot of errors, Japanese investors (through the president and the manager) let the coach and the technical manager to decide about technical stuffs...
So I think, after this summer, investors have understood if they want to build a big team in Grenoble they have to trust on people who know and don't act like a child with a toy... They became realistic and may be that's why the GF38 has good results today.


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can you give me the link for the page you posted on Ligue2 s.v.p. ?
http://www.lfp.fr/ligue2/classement.asp
Be fast, I think this ranking won't be up to date next week...
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Old September 29th, 2006, 02:59 PM   #184
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Old September 29th, 2006, 03:30 PM   #185
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Old October 4th, 2006, 04:36 PM   #186
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Old October 5th, 2006, 05:25 PM   #187
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What do you mean ? Are you asking if the old stadium "Charles Berty" was the place where the opening ceremony of the X Olympic Winter Games took place in 1968 ?

In that case, no !

The opening ceremony took place in the South of the city at the old airport (destroyed) thanks to a temporary structure of 60,000 seats.

The temporary structure of the Inaugural Stadium:


The arrival of the Olympic Flag:


The last carrier (Alain Calmat) of the Olympique flame:


The Olympic Flame burns in the cauldron:


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The French Patrol:
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Old October 6th, 2006, 12:29 PM   #188
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I'm not convinced with the stadium but put it in the old olympic cluster is genius... the next step should be to overhaul the Olympic arena and Grenoble would have an awsome stadia...well only after the expansion of the new stadium of course... 20000 in ligue 1 next year not bad but not great either especially with their weird and not so savvy owners. but I sure do like the stadium to be downtown in a Parc near other sports facility, is it far from the hockey arena ?
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Old October 9th, 2006, 11:50 PM   #189
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thank you anyway for the links.

So few things have changed more since the last post.

-Marseille still plan to expand to 80.000 after 2007.
-Lille got green light for it's 50.000 five star retractable roof stadium dream.
-PSG owners now want to expand to 80.000 (rivalry with OM?).
-Lens look for someone to design renovation that would put the stadium to 60.000 and make it a complete business center (shops, shops and shops).

And Lyon fans still hope OL new stadium will be built before the 22nd century.....
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Old October 10th, 2006, 12:01 AM   #190
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When did they say anything about a 80.000 seat stadium for Paris?
I'm a psg fan and follow the day by day news but I don't remember anything about that.

Also, St Etienne has begun a project about a possible 50 to 60k seat stadium, on the grounds of some failed Casino hypermarket headquarters, or to completely destroy the chaudron.
But apparently it's very early, they're basically just looking into it
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Old October 10th, 2006, 10:27 AM   #191
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We'll talk about PDP in it's topic.

concerning ST-Etienne, it would make fan upset to leave the chaudron.
I think a rebuilt of the stadium stand by stand (a la velodrome) should make everybody happy.

As a PSG fan, you must think that PSg is home at PDP and perhaps was against a moving to SDF.
That's surely the same thing with ASSE fans, they feel home at guichard and a moving to a new stadium would upset most of them by breaking with history.

60.000 seems a little bit to much for a team like st etienne.
Of course they have a big support but 60.000 would be really hard to fullfill.
I know that if you look at what happen with topnoch stadiums built recently,
a beautiful and comfortable stadium is a tool necessary now to make great teams.
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Old October 10th, 2006, 11:02 AM   #192
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What?! 80000 people in Pdp! Wait a minute, where was I? are they freakin insane! Paris-Marseille rivalry!? What does it have to do with it?

Parc des princes has always been smaller than Velodrome, PSG not as "prestigious" as OM. Are they kiding us, they are stupid enough to do it and that would make two way too big stadium in Paris... Paris is no London. There's no way both stadium could be sustainable in the long term... PSG is struggling to fil the stadium up on most games, they play european games every now and then... and 80000 it's just a number to get UEFA 6 star ranking. Ridiculous!!!!

I hear some politicians in lille were not so assertive regarding the capacity of the future stadium... Lens going for 60... 55 would be more than enough but it's just my point of view. Saint Etienne destroying the chaudron! Sorry I won't be sad about that. Nice stadium is still blocked ... Are we serious about making new stadium in this country or is it just a joke cause locals election are coming in 2008 or 2009.
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Old October 11th, 2006, 12:45 PM   #193
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You are pointing interesting views neda say.
I didn't though about politics, it may have something to do...

Absolutly, not a lot of team really need to upgrade the capacity of their stadium, they should concentrate on comfort.

the chaudron has an history, it's a centerpiece of the city. To see it detroyed would be sad.

Which teams really have enough money to built new stadium other that marseille or lyon?
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Old October 11th, 2006, 04:45 PM   #194
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I'm not so sure Marseille can find the money... Of course RLD can just pay up front but really what would it worth ; a 80000 giant never at full capacity if the team keeps having poor performances. Lens could take a huge debt and get is old stand rebuild but is it worth taking a risk that big. The stadium is 42000 they want it 60000. the city is only 16000 and the district not even 200000 people. Stuck between Lille and Valencienne. both cities sucking a bit of RCL fanbase without a doubt.

The bill on clubs going public passed today and it's really time to be scared. Other than OL I don't see anyone and I mean anyone having what it takes to be able to go on the market and not bust within a year. I don't think Aulas is in a hurry to get his new stadium we are eager to see it but honestly he does have a 41000 seater even small it's still confortable more than Highbury was.
OL franchises generates good money and they've finished three or four financial exercises in the positive column ... No other club did that in france before in the last 10 years.
Not Lille although doing rather good! Not Lens, nor Nantes, Bordeaux, and even less PSG, OM and ASM.

The two cities who really stadium are Nice and Lille and none of them is getting it ... Lille is apparently getting a stadium which features still remain unknown although it's been two years since Grimonprez-Joris II ate the dust.
Nice is having Idon't know what kind off doubt saying that the deal with carri spada (the building consortium) might not be legal in the end... In this case they only realised that almost a year after the choice of this consortium and surprizingly it's not a judge who realised it but the local prefect!

Really all this stadium frenzy is partly due to the huge impact of the last world cup. Germany showed us the way it was done in terms of stadium while we over spent on one new stadium in 1998 and underspent on the others.

Believe me if you wish, the time is playing on Aulas sides... Marseille and Bordeaux or Paris are never going to catch up.New stadium or not ... In the end this is what it's all about right winning the championship to get money from sponsors and champions league ranking to build a return on investment. So far the only team able to pull it out consistently is Lyon.

My pick they are winning it again this year they go on the market by season end if the situation is good (i.e a championship and possibly reaching the semis in champion'sleague) at that moment Aulas can ask for the price he wants on the market he should get aroung 90-100 000 000 euros and with that he should have LG or Accor paying another 80 for naming rights plus the city and district both going only 25, this is 200 right there! Oh wait a sec I forgot the private equity company and here is another 100 which makes 300! Weird that's what France paid to get the SDF. And guess what it would not cost a thing to Aulas if they can pull it that way.

ps: Emirates paid a premium 160 for arsenal stadium to bear is name. Lyon is not yet at arsenal level, that's why I'm saying only 80, please also note that I'm leaving the region out of the deal too.

It's so big and so easy it's not even funny
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Old October 11th, 2006, 05:12 PM   #195
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3tmk I have a request but I don't know if you have anyway to pull it
I know you're on the superpolis thread and I wondered a bit if you could do a rendering using your skills for the future Stade LG or Accor Parc located nearby Lyon.

If anyone else can be my guest.

Here's the deal, use a simple baseframe like emirates stadium and a skyscraper to try to get an idea or dream should I say of this new facility

What do we know about it? well it should be something like that
55000 seater, conference center, hotel and restaurant, oh yes the probably biggest bunch of flat screens you've ever seen on either side of the Rhone.

good luck
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Old October 14th, 2006, 11:53 AM   #196
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Official news
that's it decision has been made official on the new Lille grand stadium. Finally!!

the result is a 50000 seater arena and not it's not a stadium but really an arena with retractable roof multipurpose (will they dare artificial turf)
cost and that's the important part 230 yes only 230 000 000 for a 50000 seater with a showroof. 4600 euros per seat. it's a good deal

But don't get to hasty this stadium still has to pass a vote which will only take place on november 17.

Interesting fact: the club would have to pay 3M over the next 30 years i.e 90 000 000. The stadium relying on public and private funding ... Logically private equity would commit around 100-120 so if the club sign for 90 what's left to pay for the city????
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Old October 14th, 2006, 12:17 PM   #197
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thank you anyway for the links.

So few things have changed more since the last post.

-Marseille still plan to expand to 80.000 after 2007.
-Lille got green light for it's 50.000 five star retractable roof stadium dream.
-PSG owners now want to expand to 80.000 (rivalry with OM?).
-Lens look for someone to design renovation that would put the stadium to 60.000 and make it a complete business center (shops, shops and shops).

And Lyon fans still hope OL new stadium will be built before the 22nd century.....
Why couldn't they have sorted out all these expansions before the Rugby World Cup?
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Old October 15th, 2006, 11:19 AM   #198
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Cause they're a big bunch of idiots or because they just don't care about rugby. None of the expansion is due to the rwc they're only wanted by football teams
who just don't care about rugby.
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Old October 15th, 2006, 03:36 PM   #199
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Yes CharlieP, it's sad WCR will happen in the current landscape.
no effort had been made for this event.
Perhaps because the frenzie of stadium started to late to make it before the cup...
but I join neda say and say that also has to do with the fact politics don't believe in rugby as much as they believe in football.

Yes I heard in telefoot today that lille project is concrete.
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Old October 15th, 2006, 08:41 PM   #200
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-PSG owners now want to expand to 80.000 (rivalry with OM?).
Expending PdP up to 80k is not possible without destroying several building and even the peripherique. If PSG owner want to play in a 80 k stadium, they can use SdF.
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