FRANCE - Stadium and Arena Development News - Page 6

Neda Say · May 16th, 2006, 06:33 PM

actually my last post was for Marco ...

As for Aulas he ows a company called Cegid www.cegid.fr which is based in Lyon Cegid was never a main sponsor but for a long times Cegid logo appeared in the empty area behind the corners... Cegid was a small company and is now a european monster with more than 1500 employees.

In addition O2 is a proud sponsor of Arsenal...Even the Sevilla had Stevenson on its shirt... during the UEFA Cup Final

My turn to do some advertisement if you want to know who does what in sports marketing here is a good website not www.sportstrategies.com it's in french but I think you won't have any problem with that. it's a pay per view website with some free informations and you can browse title to get a glympse of what's the last rumor on the big deals in sports.

Just so you know even pro american league are now talking about allowing big corp to do shirt advertising... they 're not there yet but they are thinking... Football-soccer, is an industry of entertainment just as big brother and soon rugby will follow the same path... Stade Francais played in sdf to please it's fan, they made a huge bunch of euros by the same occasion. Stade Toulousain plays european and top championship games in Stadium Municipal because hey 36000 x 10 euros (price volontarly inacurate) represents what 360000 euros on one game while playing at ernest vallon for the same price 18000x 10... Imagine Marseille against Ajaccio a 60000 seater against a 10000 at let's say 15 euros for every ticket...

David Byrne · May 17th, 2006, 02:29 AM

France's best manager

Neda Say · May 18th, 2006, 12:22 AM

Don't complain about Le Guen yet he has 3 ligue 1 championship under is belt...

Uncle Chop Chop · May 18th, 2006, 12:42 AM

Who's complaining?

Neda Say · May 18th, 2006, 12:58 AM

Amazing Bordeaux will upgrade some parts of his stadium this year...

... the pitch will be changed over the summer for the rwc 2007 taking place next year

Vilak · May 18th, 2006, 11:11 AM

Lescure is great for rugby.

I thing all those upgrade will be minium as the stadium is monument classified.

Barcelone is the opposite of most other club cause they don't need money, sponsors, to attract more fans or to have a bigger/more confortable stadium.

the futur of a footbal club resolve in financial health, a good team and a top noch stadium.

A second Ligue 1 club in PAris? people talk about it for years.
It's sure the rivalry PSG/POC (paris other club) would fill the stade de france for one match but it would take YEARS to have POC having more than an half empty stadium at every other game of the season.
SDF is expensive to use, remeber....

Uncle Chop Chop · May 18th, 2006, 11:24 AM

The Stad de France looked primarily like a Rugby venue last night. The distance between the goals and the spectator stands behind them was too great for this stadium to be considered world leading.

Was there perhaps temporary seating not in place, or is hosting football not a priority for this stadium?
eg
1. Rugby
2. Athletics
3. Football

titou · May 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM

SDF is a national stadium wisely made to host various event.
Of course, as football and rugby being the most popular "stadium sports", the building is mainly made for them but it can host athletics without downing the seating so we must regard it as a complete and almost perfect multisports venue.

Paris has enough with PSG. Please don't create a copycat of this trouble maker. A Paris/Banlieue rivalry would be create terrible violence as banlieues's people DON'T want to be called parisian. Ii would create violence on football games like bruxelle 85
Whatever, a POC could not fill the SDF exept for games against marseille, lyon and of course PSG.

Vilak · May 18th, 2006, 06:05 PM

Uncle Chop shop :
There is no temporary or removable seats in the SDF.
To convert the place from football to athetics, the lower tiers stand step back slighly (thanks to hydrolic engine), it leaves free the 5/10 meters necessary for the track.

Neda Say · May 18th, 2006, 06:31 PM

I like SDF for rugby games it's great for track and field perfect for football... even national team not so great... maybe because most of the guys going to these games are dressed in suites and don't really chear most of the time...

Red Star would be I think the only club with a real identity able to fill a third of the seat... But this is not England... a second team would not survive. we had Matra Racing and PSG 20 years ago... Matra thrived then disapeared and PSG took over after struggling madly in his first seasons... basically untill Canal+ took over. There is just no rooms in Paris for a second club... I am not opposed to a club in the suburbs but they will need a strong identity to avoid french banlieu fancy riots before each game
Red Star almost manage to reach ligue 1 many years ago but now they play in what ? 9 th division

Neda Say · May 20th, 2006, 08:20 PM

Except for the stadium already mentioned here is a list of the stadium of ligue 1 and 2 which, from my point of view, would need to be
a) destroyed and rebuid: Ajaccio, Valencienne (it will be), Laval, Geugnon (in progress) Guingamp, Bastia
b) refurbished: Auxerre, Nancy, Creteil
c) expanded : Nantes, Bastia, Metz, Chateauroux...
give me your point of view.

***3tmk*** · May 20th, 2006, 08:54 PM

Well personally I think Creteil will move up next season, that would be great.
In other news, I just read in lequipe.fr that Nice is considering an artificial turf for their stadium

Vilak · May 21st, 2006, 03:43 PM

You're right neda say. Most of the stadiums of france should be renovated/rebuilt.

Concerning Nantes, I've, long time ago (circa 98 I think), heard about building uncovered stand behind the goal for a gain of 12.000 seats, like the sydney stadium for the olympic games.

Bastia stadium is simply horrible.

Bender · May 21st, 2006, 06:13 PM

Bastia and Ajaccio are little villages. There "stadiums" belong to the amateur championship

Neda Say · May 22nd, 2006, 04:23 AM

there are villages yes but they still play in ligue 1 or 2... if they want to have a fair treatment I think they should improve their stadia... I am not talking 45000 madness if they could just complete what they have it would already be a big improvement...
Actually except for the fact that bastia stadium has never been completed I kind like it but they have to built the south side it's unbelievable that this piece of shit (I'm sorry)
stand are still there... Just to show some respect to the people who died there... they should do something

Neda Say · May 22nd, 2006, 04:28 AM

Nantes idea sounds interesting... I was looking at some pictures and rendering on bordeaux lescure... Couldn't they do what pdp is about to do ... digging and building behing the goal... They have not the same space but there is clearly enough room for something... Surprising about Nice the astro turf... I thought that Sochaux, Lens or Monaco would have one first... But it's not a bad idea an astro turf cost around 250000 euros an old fashion pithc the same but you have to change it regularly... so not a bad idea at all

Neda Say · May 22nd, 2006, 04:30 AM

3tmk ! By creteil moving up what do you mean... ligue 1?

Vilak · May 22nd, 2006, 07:33 PM

No Bordeaux can't.
There's no place left on the sides of the pitch :

***3tmk*** · May 22nd, 2006, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neda Say

3tmk ! By creteil moving up what do you mean... ligue 1?

Yes, they aren't the best team, but I think they can do it in the next few years.
At most they'll be one of those elevator teams, coming up just to come down, but it would be interesting to see a second IdF team for even a season

Neda Say · May 23rd, 2006, 12:44 AM

Well, Creteil in Ligue 1, interesting idea... But Ducvauchelle will need serious overhaul to be viable... I really don't know if it's possible to have two "parisian club" in ligue 1

We had Racing and PSG once but now... all different story, I which them all the best anyway... I would have really enjoyed Red Star in Ligue 1 so why not Creteil.

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May 16th, 2006, 06:33 PM	#101
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	actually my last post was for Marco ... As for Aulas he ows a company called Cegid www.cegid.fr which is based in Lyon Cegid was never a main sponsor but for a long times Cegid logo appeared in the empty area behind the corners... Cegid was a small company and is now a european monster with more than 1500 employees. In addition O2 is a proud sponsor of Arsenal...Even the Sevilla had Stevenson on its shirt... during the UEFA Cup Final My turn to do some advertisement if you want to know who does what in sports marketing here is a good website not www.sportstrategies.com it's in french but I think you won't have any problem with that. it's a pay per view website with some free informations and you can browse title to get a glympse of what's the last rumor on the big deals in sports. Just so you know even pro american league are now talking about allowing big corp to do shirt advertising... they 're not there yet but they are thinking... Football-soccer, is an industry of entertainment just as big brother and soon rugby will follow the same path... Stade Francais played in sdf to please it's fan, they made a huge bunch of euros by the same occasion. Stade Toulousain plays european and top championship games in Stadium Municipal because hey 36000 x 10 euros (price volontarly inacurate) represents what 360000 euros on one game while playing at ernest vallon for the same price 18000x 10... Imagine Marseille against Ajaccio a 60000 seater against a 10000 at let's say 15 euros for every ticket...

May 17th, 2006, 02:29 AM	#102
David Byrne BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 23 Likes (Received): 0	France's best manager

May 18th, 2006, 12:22 AM	#103
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	Don't complain about Le Guen yet he has 3 ligue 1 championship under is belt...

May 18th, 2006, 12:42 AM	#104
Uncle Chop Chop BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15 Likes (Received): 0	Who's complaining?

May 18th, 2006, 12:58 AM	#105
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	Amazing Bordeaux will upgrade some parts of his stadium this year... ... the pitch will be changed over the summer for the rwc 2007 taking place next year

May 18th, 2006, 11:11 AM	#106
Vilak Let's dance in style! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nimes Posts: 568 Likes (Received): 0	Lescure is great for rugby. I thing all those upgrade will be minium as the stadium is monument classified. Barcelone is the opposite of most other club cause they don't need money, sponsors, to attract more fans or to have a bigger/more confortable stadium. the futur of a footbal club resolve in financial health, a good team and a top noch stadium. A second Ligue 1 club in PAris? people talk about it for years. It's sure the rivalry PSG/POC (paris other club) would fill the stade de france for one match but it would take YEARS to have POC having more than an half empty stadium at every other game of the season. SDF is expensive to use, remeber....

May 18th, 2006, 11:24 AM	#107
Uncle Chop Chop BANNED Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15 Likes (Received): 0	The Stad de France looked primarily like a Rugby venue last night. The distance between the goals and the spectator stands behind them was too great for this stadium to be considered world leading. Was there perhaps temporary seating not in place, or is hosting football not a priority for this stadium? eg 1. Rugby 2. Athletics 3. Football

May 18th, 2006, 01:57 PM	#108
titou titou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: dijon Posts: 149 Likes (Received): 0	SDF is a national stadium wisely made to host various event. Of course, as football and rugby being the most popular "stadium sports", the building is mainly made for them but it can host athletics without downing the seating so we must regard it as a complete and almost perfect multisports venue. Paris has enough with PSG. Please don't create a copycat of this trouble maker. A Paris/Banlieue rivalry would be create terrible violence as banlieues's people DON'T want to be called parisian. Ii would create violence on football games like bruxelle 85 Whatever, a POC could not fill the SDF exept for games against marseille, lyon and of course PSG.

May 18th, 2006, 06:05 PM	#109
Vilak Let's dance in style! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nimes Posts: 568 Likes (Received): 0	Uncle Chop shop : There is no temporary or removable seats in the SDF. To convert the place from football to athetics, the lower tiers stand step back slighly (thanks to hydrolic engine), it leaves free the 5/10 meters necessary for the track.

May 18th, 2006, 06:31 PM	#110
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	I like SDF for rugby games it's great for track and field perfect for football... even national team not so great... maybe because most of the guys going to these games are dressed in suites and don't really chear most of the time... Red Star would be I think the only club with a real identity able to fill a third of the seat... But this is not England... a second team would not survive. we had Matra Racing and PSG 20 years ago... Matra thrived then disapeared and PSG took over after struggling madly in his first seasons... basically untill Canal+ took over. There is just no rooms in Paris for a second club... I am not opposed to a club in the suburbs but they will need a strong identity to avoid french banlieu fancy riots before each game Red Star almost manage to reach ligue 1 many years ago but now they play in what ? 9 th division

May 20th, 2006, 08:20 PM	#111
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	Except for the stadium already mentioned here is a list of the stadium of ligue 1 and 2 which, from my point of view, would need to be a) destroyed and rebuid: Ajaccio, Valencienne (it will be), Laval, Geugnon (in progress) Guingamp, Bastia b) refurbished: Auxerre, Nancy, Creteil c) expanded : Nantes, Bastia, Metz, Chateauroux... give me your point of view.

May 21st, 2006, 03:43 PM	#113
Vilak Let's dance in style! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nimes Posts: 568 Likes (Received): 0	You're right neda say. Most of the stadiums of france should be renovated/rebuilt. Concerning Nantes, I've, long time ago (circa 98 I think), heard about building uncovered stand behind the goal for a gain of 12.000 seats, like the sydney stadium for the olympic games. Bastia stadium is simply horrible.

May 21st, 2006, 06:13 PM	#114
Bender Rugged Individualist Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Düsseldorf, Le Reich Posts: 2,781 Likes (Received): 7	Bastia and Ajaccio are little villages. There "stadiums" belong to the amateur championship

May 22nd, 2006, 04:23 AM	#115
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	there are villages yes but they still play in ligue 1 or 2... if they want to have a fair treatment I think they should improve their stadia... I am not talking 45000 madness if they could just complete what they have it would already be a big improvement... Actually except for the fact that bastia stadium has never been completed I kind like it but they have to built the south side it's unbelievable that this piece of shit (I'm sorry) stand are still there... Just to show some respect to the people who died there... they should do something

May 22nd, 2006, 04:28 AM	#116
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	Nantes idea sounds interesting... I was looking at some pictures and rendering on bordeaux lescure... Couldn't they do what pdp is about to do ... digging and building behing the goal... They have not the same space but there is clearly enough room for something... Surprising about Nice the astro turf... I thought that Sochaux, Lens or Monaco would have one first... But it's not a bad idea an astro turf cost around 250000 euros an old fashion pithc the same but you have to change it regularly... so not a bad idea at all

May 22nd, 2006, 04:30 AM	#117
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	3tmk ! By creteil moving up what do you mean... ligue 1?

May 22nd, 2006, 07:33 PM	#118
Vilak Let's dance in style! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nimes Posts: 568 Likes (Received): 0	No Bordeaux can't. There's no place left on the sides of the pitch :

May 23rd, 2006, 12:44 AM	#120
Neda Say Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,010 Likes (Received): 9	Well, Creteil in Ligue 1, interesting idea... But Ducvauchelle will need serious overhaul to be viable... I really don't know if it's possible to have two "parisian club" in ligue 1 We had Racing and PSG once but now... all different story, I which them all the best anyway... I would have really enjoyed Red Star in Ligue 1 so why not Creteil.