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Old September 3rd, 2014, 11:37 AM   #2021
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4th of October is Open Doors at NedTrain Leidschendam, due to 175 Railways in NL.
NedTrain Haarlem (Refurbishment & Overhaul) also opens its doors to the public.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 12:12 PM   #2022
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This thread is becoming unreadable.

1: This is still "the Netherlands Railway thread", right?
2: Why not use English properly, instead of trying to use all these expensive words. Half of you don't know what they mean anyway, and hardly anyone talks like that in England...
We need a separate "transport economics and policies" thread...
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 12:30 PM   #2023
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4th of October is Open Doors at NedTrain Leidschendam, due to 175 Railways in NL.
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NedTrain Haarlem (Refurbishment & Overhaul) also opens its doors to the public.
Well, those could be occasions on which we can all meet easily! The two places are so close one could see both in the same day...
Do we need to register or people can just show up there?

Although I hope to meet someone in the city before that, now that I'm settled
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 01:43 PM   #2024
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Do Dutch Railways ever check tickets manually (without gates) when people leave the platform?
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 03:24 PM   #2025
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They only check tickets on the trains themselves afaik.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 04:52 PM   #2026
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There are occasional entrance or exit checks.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 05:08 PM   #2027
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We need a separate "transport economics and policies" thread...
Here we are...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post117047592
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 06:44 PM   #2028
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Do Dutch Railways ever check tickets manually (without gates) when people leave the platform?
Sometimes they do perform such checks after mid-night. I've been checked twice on station hall when taking a night train to Schiphol for an early flight.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:32 PM   #2029
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With nightly trains the checks are more or less common, as they want to prevent people who can become a nuisance (drunk, fare dodgers, etc.) from entering the vehicle in the first place.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:51 PM   #2030
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And during events, I've been checked during the Vierdaagse and Kings/Queensday activities as trains are so busy they can't be checked. But is also a form of crowd control.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 09:38 PM   #2031
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I don't feel like playing cat and mouse with the general idea of trickle-down economics, because that's mostly tiresome, but I'll point out there are entire businesses that relied on such decrease to even get started - see, for example, antiperspirants, "intimate smell" solutions, shaving legs and a huge chunk of beauty industry, or diamond trade.
I'm sorry, but you seem to entirely miss the point.

I someone pays X euro to be transports from Groningen to Amsterdam during rush hour than it is clear that he prefers getting from Amsterdam at that time over the alternative, which is staying in Groningen with X euro in his pocket.
So the party that offers him the possibility to do this has dus increased his welfare. And this completely regardless whether X was 10, 20, or a million euros.
(That's by the way that people complaining that trains are too expensive when they are in fact on a train are actually lying. What people do matters more than what people say)

Your preferences as an outside observer don't matter. Preferences vary, and value is subjective. A person buying a product you find superfluous is still increasing his welfare. Nobody spends money in order to become less happy.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #2032
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I'm sorry, but you seem to entirely miss the point.

I someone pays X euro to be transports from Groningen to Amsterdam during rush hour than it is clear that he prefers getting from Amsterdam at that time over the alternative, which is staying in Groningen with X euro in his pocket.
So the party that offers him the possibility to do this has dus increased his welfare. And this completely regardless whether X was 10, 20, or a million euros.
(That's by the way that people complaining that trains are too expensive when they are in fact on a train are actually lying. What people do matters more than what people say)

Your preferences as an outside observer don't matter. Preferences vary, and value is subjective. A person buying a product you find superfluous is still increasing his welfare. Nobody spends money in order to become less happy.
What about people who don't have a choice because they need to get somewhere for work at a certain time?
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What about people who don't have a choice because they need to get somewhere for work at a certain time?
They do have a choice.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 11:42 PM   #2034
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The purpose of lower off-peak fares is to encourage those who can alter the time they make their journey to do so. If they can't change time, then at least their train might be slightly less busy.

The morning peak hour in the Netherlands can be avoided by travelling early. Amazingly, if you check in with the off-peak season tickets as late as 0630, you can travel off-peak. You are allowed to travel up to 30 minutes after checking in, so it might almost be 0700 when you get your 'off-peak' train, even if you arrive at work after 0830.

Although I notice that you can't do this on Monday as the peak starts at 0400. Are early morning trains busier on Monday?
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Old September 5th, 2014, 12:59 AM   #2035
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Although I notice that you can't do this on Monday as the peak starts at 0400. Are early morning trains busier on Monday?
Quite some students who don't live with their parents have visited their parents for the weekend, and are leaving for the student cities. Early busses and trains are remarkably bussier.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 02:37 AM   #2036
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Although I notice that you can't do this on Monday as the peak starts at 0400. Are early morning trains busier on Monday?
Huh? Where does this come from?

According to ns.nl, anything not between 6:30 - 9:00 and 16:00 - 18:30 on weekdays counts as off-peak and thus entitles to reduction or free riding. Even in peak trains.
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Old September 5th, 2014, 08:53 AM   #2037
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http://www.ns.nl/reizigers/producten...-voordeel.html

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Wanneer 40% korting?

Daluren (9.00-16.00 en 18.30 - 6.30 uur)
Weekend (vrijdag 18.30 tot maandagochtend 4.00 uur)
Feestdagen (hele dag)
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Old September 5th, 2014, 10:35 AM   #2038
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This is a different thing altogether. It just specifies the weekend discount period not the off peak hours!
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Why not say "tot mandaagochtend 6.30"?
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Old September 5th, 2014, 12:30 PM   #2040
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Why not say "tot mandaagochtend 6.30"?
The weekend ends at 0400.
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