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Old September 21st, 2014, 12:50 AM   #2101
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Most likely, NS's designers did not consider it attractive to give the entire door a different colour, so they opted for white arrows instead.
Their reasons are understandable, I just think this particular solution is prone to conflicts with the door opening interface (and it's not really performing its task, those things are tiny).

I notice this because I'm not used to buttons not on the door (are they used anywhere outside NL?). I think this design is today out of standard.
This is a problem particularly evident with the DDZ: large doors imply an even more distant button...



Not knowing it, I would NEVER go for that white dot in the middle of nothing.
It just seems natural to me to link the drawing of the arrow to the opening command: touch the arrow, the object while move in that direction, very basic communication.

(big doubt: do DDZ's large doors actually use an expulsion or sliding design? The smaller ones are expulsion doors, for sure.)

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About the placement of door opening buttons: I think this has to do with the mechanism that opens those doors: they open outwards, then sway sideways. It could be that it was not possible to get a reliable system (connections failing due to frequent movement), so they placed them besides the doors instead. The newer SLT rolling stock does have the buttons on the doors themselves, but those trains don't use that mechanism.
I was actually thinking about a much nobler reason if door opening buttons are on the door, people outside will press them and stay there in the middle, while others must get out; if the buttons are on the side, people is automatically in the right place where to wait.
Seems a kind of trick compatible with the Dutch transport tradition

I was also thinking about the maintenance aspect, but I believe there is a way to keep the system reliable also with expulsion doors.
GTL trams in Den Haag have, depending on the series, sliding or expulsion doors; some have modern buttons on the door, others old buttons on its side. I will pay attention if the two features are linked.


Random facts:
- I see a VIRM 6+6 almost everyday as a Amsterdam - Rotterdam IC, always the same couple together (pretty worn out paint job)
- I saw a test ride of the E186.004 here in Den Haag HS, it was coming from Rotterdam and was sent to the siding towards Voorburg
- I like those machines in the classic livery, but I have to admit they look like Lego trains
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Old September 21st, 2014, 01:12 AM   #2102
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(big doubt: do DDZ's large doors actually use an expulsion or sliding design? The smaller ones are expulsion doors, for sure.)
Found it, they seem to be of the sliding type:


http://www.nicospilt.com/index_Trein...beldekkers.htm
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Old September 21st, 2014, 01:17 AM   #2103
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Thing is, Dutch people are used to how the doors work. The trains that are now DDZ trains have been on the network since the early nineties, so people know where the buttons are. Nearly all other Dutch rolling stock has the buttons besides the doors, so it's quite familiar.

For the people who are not familiar with the Dutch way of how doors work it will be a little bit unfamiliar at first, but there will probably be a Dutchie pressing the opening button anyway.

I have the same when I'm abroad, especially with older subway rolling stock in Paris or Berlin I have to get used to how the little lever works.
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Old September 21st, 2014, 02:14 AM   #2104
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I think buttons should be replaced by proximity sensors.
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Old September 21st, 2014, 02:40 AM   #2105
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Why. You always come with these statements, but you never say why.
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Old September 21st, 2014, 03:11 AM   #2106
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The V250 had proximity sensors for the interior doors, but they were no success. In most cases, you had to hold your hand in front of the sensor before it noticed somebody wanted to go through the door.

By tweaking the range of the sensor it would've been possible to get it to work better, but this would lead to more false openings as well. Imagine someone sitting next to the door, reaching down to his bag to fetch something. When sitting upright again, the door would open because the sensor noticed some movement...

While technology can be benificial and proximity sensors certainly have added value (such as for automatic doors in supermarkets), it does not always work as intended.
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Old September 21st, 2014, 01:53 PM   #2107
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No steam locos available, or wouldn't they be allowed on the track?
The railway museum in Utrecht doesn't have active steam locomotives any more. 25 years ago they had a steam locomotive parade.

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Old September 22nd, 2014, 03:25 PM   #2108
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Hey, look who just passed by...

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I know. Absolutley disgusting, that car on the cycle path...
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Don't make me talk about the usage of bike paths, I've seen things...

Anyway, I think that color is hideous
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Old September 22nd, 2014, 03:41 PM   #2111
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I know. Absolutley disgusting, that car on the cycle path...
It isn't parked, it's actually leaving the gas station.
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Don't make me talk about the usage of bike paths, I've seen things...

Anyway, I think that color is hideous
It's still better than the hiiiideous yellow+blue livery.
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Don't make me talk about the usage of bike paths, I've seen things...

Anyway, I think that color is hideous
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It's still better than the hiiiideous yellow+blue livery.
Plot twist: the train's colours are only yellow and blue.

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I knew that :-P but still the effect leads to one of my less favourite shade of green.
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Plot twist: the train's colours are only yellow and blue.

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I knew that :-P but still the effect leads to one of my less favourite shade of green.
Oh, I thought the yellow and blue merged together to form a green carriage.
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It isn't parked, it's actually leaving the gas station.
Off topic, but do the Dutch usually translate tankstation into English as 'gas station' (like Americans) or 'petrol station' (like the British)?
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Gas station. Most Dutch people think they're Americans...
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hmmm wouldn't surprise me if someone said: Benzine Station...

I would say Petrol Station though, but that's because of 2 yrs. of Scottish education.
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Off topic, but do the Dutch usually translate tankstation into English as 'gas station' (like Americans) or 'petrol station' (like the British)?
Our education system tries to teach everyone British English but American culture is so dominant that, in practice, people typically employ some kind of bizarre hybrid version of English. There is usually a hint of British to the Dutch accent (people often use the British pronunciation of can't, for example), but vocabulary tends to be heavily influenced by American TV and films.

So when in doubt, it's safe to assume the Dutch use the American term. In this case: gas station.
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This weekend the whole stretch Schiedam Centrum - Den Haag HS is closed to traffic for major works.

Many buses where gathered this morning near HS, I guess they were linked to the replacement services.

At the moment they are working on the switches between HS and Moerwijk, I think they are repositioning or replacing them.

This was the "office" outside HS, this morning at 2 am... lots of coffee and track plans



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