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Old September 27th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #2121
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Different story: next Sunday (04/10) there will be the Open Day of NedTrain Leidschendam.

http://www.nedtrain.nl/metaNavigatie...n-leidschendam
As far as I understand, a registration is not needed.

The nearest OV stop is Leidschendam Voorburg (Den Haag trams 3 and 4 & Rotterdam Metro E).
https://maps.google.nl/maps/myplaces...=-120&t=k&z=17

I'd like to go, and it could be a good moment to meet with you fellow forumers If anyone is interested, please PM me.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #2122
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How is your Dutch these days? You should visit this section. You can also post in English I suppose, and start interacting with locals who share your interests...
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Old September 27th, 2014, 09:26 PM   #2123
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I'm still far from being able to compose full sentences but if they accept some posts in English, it's probably better to move there.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #2124
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Old September 28th, 2014, 01:12 PM   #2125
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How much do Dutch train drivers earn? Does it vary by operator? What about conductors? What about metro, tram or bus drivers?
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Old September 28th, 2014, 03:10 PM   #2126
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How much do Dutch train drivers earn? Does it vary by operator? What about conductors? What about metro, tram or bus drivers?
Driver € 2,400 to 3,000

Conductor € 2,000 to 2,500

Bus driver € 1,660 to 2,800

These numbers are highly inaccurate though and is the base salary per month.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 03:43 PM   #2127
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I'm assuming these are "netto" values right?
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Old September 28th, 2014, 04:55 PM   #2128
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I'm assuming these are "netto" values right?
Nope, but you need to add 35 - 50% for the real cost of labour. Which includes holiday money, compensations for whatever, employers share of pension, collective insurances, social security and stuff like that.

For example, if your gross base income is 2,500, you will cost about 3,500 a month. Your net income would be around 1,900 excluding tax deductions and compensations for travel, irregular hours and stuff like that. Also, once a year you get holiday money which is 8% minimum of your yearly gross salary so in this case, € 2,400 before tax.

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Old September 28th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #2129
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Driver € 2,400 to 3,000

Conductor € 2,000 to 2,500

Bus driver € 1,660 to 2,800

These numbers are highly inaccurate though and is the base salary per month.
It is interesting to see that these figures are quite similar. In the UK, bus drivers mostly get very low pay, not much more than half of what is mentioned here. People mostly only do bus driving if they can't find another job and staff turnover is very high.

On the railways, it is very different, and British train drivers can earn much more than €3000 a month gross. It is now a middle class occupation and some people with university degrees have left their old jobs to do train driving.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:29 PM   #2130
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There will be much rail traffic disruption, including 6 consecutive days without any traffic, on the Breda-Tilburg-'s-Hertogenbosch/Eindhoven lines.

There are going to do some major works at Tilburg railway station, including a new passageway and other stuff that ultimately will make the station fully accessible from both sides, as the train workshops and engine house were dismantled couple years ago.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:33 PM   #2131
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Old October 1st, 2014, 10:40 PM   #2132
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Source?
http://www.prorail.nl/projecten/station-tilburg

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http://www.ns.nl/reizigers/reisinfor...n-tilburg.html
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Old October 4th, 2014, 03:09 PM   #2133
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1st thing spotted at Nedtrain: treindrop https://mobile.twitter.com/TvW76/sta...906880/photo/1
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Old October 4th, 2014, 03:14 PM   #2134
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1st thing spotted at Nedtrain: treindrop https://mobile.twitter.com/TvW76/sta...906880/photo/1
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Old October 5th, 2014, 09:29 AM   #2135
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There will be much rail traffic disruption, including 6 consecutive days without any traffic, on the Breda-Tilburg-'s-Hertogenbosch/Eindhoven lines. There are going to do some major works at Tilburg railway station
And replacement of a couple of miles of overhead wires between Breda and Gilze-Rijen.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 12:06 PM   #2136
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Vechtdallijnen

In the Netherlands there are a few regional railway lines, which are succesfull. One of them is the Vechtdallijnen (lines along the river Vecht in Overijssel and Drenthe). the Vechtdallijnen connect Zwolle with Emmen and Almelo with Mariënberg. In Mariënberg there's an interchange. The provinces of Overijssel and Drenthe and the Region Twente are responsibel for the exploitation of these railway lines. After a tender Arriva won the right to exploit the Vechtdallijnen. But the provinces and region are responsibel for passenger revenges and all the risks.

Een van de succesvolste regionale lijnen van Nederland: De Vechtdallijnen. Hoge klantwaardering, reizigersgroei en een betere punctualiteit (ondanks de invoering van een kwartierdienst).

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De opdrachtgevers / provinces and region


Eerste klas / First class



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Stiltecoupe en werkcoupe (2de klas) met stopcontacten!
Slince area and working area (second class)


Servicebalie / service desk


Incheckpalen op station Zwolle
Signing at Zwolle station


Vechtdalbord i.p.v. de vishaak van NS (station Mariënberg)
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Old October 6th, 2014, 12:24 PM   #2137
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I'm very glad that the exploitation of these lines went to a private company. Traveled with them once or twice on these lines and I'm almost willing to travel with public transport again. Only the rails need to be straighten out but I believe that that's being done now.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 12:03 AM   #2138
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After a tender Arriva won the right to exploit the Vechtdallijnen. But the provinces and region are responsibel for passenger revenges and all the risks.
I'm pretty sure the underlined part is much more responsible for this succes than the other part.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 12:19 AM   #2139
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Of course, the responsibility and direct involvement of the governments with the train services make a huge difference. In the old situation, NS controlled everything from Utrecht and it was almost impossible for a local government to have any say in the services that they would get, nor for the rolling stock. NS operated the 'Emmerlijn' with Mat '64, train sets from the 1960's and 1970's.

What Arriva brought to the table was a better deal: for less money they can run more services. NS simply can't do this because of the way the company works internally, from a political point of view. The unions are still quite powerful within the flag carrier, something which is much less the case within Arriva.
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What Arriva brought to the table was a better deal: for less money they can run more services. NS simply can't do this because of the way the company works internally, from a political point of view. The unions are still quite powerful within the flag carrier, something which is much less the case within Arriva.
Is this just a matter of lower wages or more organization flexibility in terms of hours, schedules, less overhead etc?
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