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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:49 AM   #2181
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There is no minimum speed requirement for Dutch roads or highways. However, if you are blocking traffic due to an excessively low speed you can be fined by the authorities.
I've always been a bit confused about that. I was taught at school that a vehicle should be capable of going at least 70km/h or it's not allowed on a motorway.

On the other hand, I heard there is no such thing as an official minimum speed because that would make traffic jams illegal.

Surely there are some legal requirements for a motorway? You can't go on there with a tractor, for example.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:56 AM   #2182
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Surely there are some legal requirements for a motorway? You can't go on there with a tractor, for example.
The Netherlands highway code is available online, even in English:

http://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/images...174-337519.pdf

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Motorways and main highways

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1 Motorways may only be used by drivers, whose
vehicles are capable of being driven at speeds
greater than 60 km/h.

2 Main highways may only be used by drivers, whose
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Old October 9th, 2014, 12:29 PM   #2183
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So as long as your car can drive 60+, you can drive slower then 60 as long as you don't hinder traffic.... We Dutch are are a weird lot.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 01:30 PM   #2184
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Does the Netherlands even have a minimum speed road sign? In other European countries it is a round blue sign with the minimum speed in white, like on page 2 here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ffic-signs.pdf

The list of roadsigns in the link in my previous post doesn't include that sign. In the UK they are rare, but they sometimes appear on entrances to long tunnels.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 02:08 PM   #2185
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Zuidtangent should be converted into a light rail line.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 02:15 PM   #2186
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As I understand it, Zuidtangent was built to enable it to be converted to tram at a later date if buses get too crowded. Is the bus service close to capacity yet? Obviously we have a precedent for this, with the busiest bus route in Utrecht being converted to tram at the moment, but that route was extremely busy with even bi-articulated buses being crowded despite running every few minutes.

But if Zuidtangent is converted to tram, what would you do about the motorway section?

The recently opened Edinburgh tramway was originally a guided busway.

Paris are currently going through a massive tram line building programme, but they are also building busways for lower demand corridors.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 02:15 PM   #2187
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On the other hand, it is prepared for conversion to lightrail. It isn't all crazy!
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #2188
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The sector where Zuidtangent buses use the highway is not that long and, more importantly, it has space for a segregated light-rail to be built nearby without much hassle.

Between Amstelveen and Amsterdam Arena they can get away building light rail over the local roads and, mostly, the bus lanes/busways already in place.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #2189
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Of course nobody has mentioned Haarlem city centre
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:45 PM   #2190
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The dedicated track of zuidtangent (as I said) is prepared for conversion to lightrail/trams.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #2191
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Of course nobody has mentioned Haarlem city centre
According to Wikipedia, some people were proposing a tunnel from Haarlem NS to start of the busway. There is also the small matter of the 310 to Nieuw-Vennep and also the extension to Uithoorn.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuidtangent_(Noord-Holland)
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Are they really that desperate to move people from the bus onto a train or tram?
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Old October 9th, 2014, 08:56 PM   #2193
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Does the Netherlands even have a minimum speed road sign? In other European countries it is a round blue sign with the minimum speed in white, like on page 2 here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ffic-signs.pdf

The list of roadsigns in the link in my previous post doesn't include that sign. In the UK they are rare, but they sometimes appear on entrances to long tunnels.
How are they coping with traffic jams on those roads? That would be forbidden.
In the Netherlands there is no minimum speed limit, but if you are driving very slow (60 km/h on 130 roads) you could be fined for breaking article 5:

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Old October 9th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #2194
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Are they really that desperate to move people from the bus onto a train or tram?
Five years ago, some people felt like the Haarlem city centre was overflowing with busses, so they wanted them out of the streets. Therefore a tunnel has been investigated, but it turned out to be too expensive.

At the moment, the biggest problem is the high demand for the busses. Bus drivers are quite expensive, so it is cheaper to carry people in 1 tram in stead of 3 busses. For that reason, the province is looking for ways to increase the passenger capacity without increasing the amount of drivers needed. Trams could do that, but at the moment they are looking at 25 meter long bi-articulated busses.
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How are they coping with traffic jams on those roads? That would be forbidden.
In the Netherlands there is no minimum speed limit, but if you are driving very slow (60 km/h on 130 roads) you could be fined for breaking article 5:
Here's probably one of the most widely seen minimum speed signs in the UK, given that it is on the A282 (informally considered by most drivers as part of the M25, London's ring road). The minimum is just 10 mph, and I can't really see what the point of it is.

https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.458...87,,1,1.6&z=14

The link below suggests that whilst there is no specific offence of driving too slow in the UK, you could be fined for other reasons:

http://www.drivingtesttips.biz/minim...-too-slow.html

It does say that other countries have a more robust enforcement of minimum speeds.
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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #2196
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We do have a road thread you know?
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Old October 9th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #2197
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They're probably dealing with railway infrastructure issues over there right now...
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Old October 10th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #2198
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http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/T100-bus

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"Voor deze afwijkende maximumsnelheid gelden een aantal voorwaarden zoals: geen staanplaatsen, autogordels op alle zitplaatsen, snelheid begrensd op 100 km/h. Het openbaar vervoer voldoet niet altijd aan deze voorwaarden."

"For these exceptional speed limits a number of conditions apply: no standing, seat belts at all seats, speed limited at 100 km/h. The public transport does not always satisfy these conditions."

The 300 doesn't have seat belts and does have standing so it sounds like 80 km/h should be the limit. Although maybe "Het openbaar vervoer voldoet niet altijd aan deze voorwaarden" means they can get around this rule on the 300? I usually sit near the driver on the 300 so I can see the speedometer and I'm sure the speed was nearer 100 than 80 on the motorway. I'll have to check next time I'm on it. Do buses other than T100 buses have speed limiters set at 80 km/h? I remember in the old days a red light would appear on the speedometer if the bus driver was speeding.
Officially it is 80km/h, but last night I had a driver who definitely went faster. Probably because he was frustrated of the jam due to two lanes being closed at a small section of the A9.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #2199
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Has the rollout of credit card acceptance at railway stations been completed now?
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Has the rollout of credit card acceptance at railway stations been completed now?
http://www.ns.nl/reizigers/producten...tautomaat.html

Apparently since 30 September. It was mentioned earlier that GVB and RET machines also accept Visa/Mastercard, with the advantage of no 0.50 euro fee, so that's ideal for foreigners wanting to top-up their OV-Chipkaarten. What about machines run by other operators, such as Arriva, Veolia etc.?
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