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Old October 23rd, 2014, 02:49 PM   #2201
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Tilburg - reconstruction

There is heavy reconstruction of tracks going on Tilburg station. Works are going to last longer then scheduled, and therefore no trains are circulating at least until Saturday, maybe longer.

This weekend an accident happened at the construction site, one worker was injured and required emergence evacuation.

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Huge lines for replacement buses


Future situation


The collapsed platform where the accident happened

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Old October 23rd, 2014, 03:04 PM   #2202
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Yep, a friend of mine had to take the Snelbus from Den Bosch to Breda (otherwise her Nijmegen - Brussel trip would have got much longer).

She said the transfer was well organized and assisted.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 03:11 PM   #2203
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Yep, a friend of mine had to take the Snelbus from Den Bosch to Breda (otherwise her Nijmegen - Brussel trip would have got much longer).

She said the transfer was well organized and assisted.
She could have travelled to Geldermalsen and then taken the Veolia train to Dordrecht as well
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 03:58 PM   #2204
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She could have travelled to Geldermalsen and then taken the Veolia train to Dordrecht as well
[pedantry]Or even the Arriva train![/pedantry]
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 05:25 PM   #2205
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She could have travelled to Geldermalsen
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From Arnhem, not Nijmegen

And even from Arnhem, I wouldn't bet about it being faster...

The only real alternative proposed by 9292 was to go via Roermond - Maastricht - Liège, but with long parts of the trip on local trains (could become really boring).
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 06:00 PM   #2206
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From Arnhem, not Nijmegen

And even from Arnhem, I wouldn't bet about it being faster...

The only real alternative proposed by 9292 was to go via Roermond - Maastricht - Liège, but with long parts of the trip on local trains (could become really boring).
Strange. If she's travelling from Anrhem to Bruxelles-Midi/Brussel-Zuid, I believe it would be faster to just travel to Rotterdam via Utrecht, wouldn't it?
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No, I was meaning that you may use the Geldermalsen detour from Arnhem but not from Nijmegen

For the sake of curiosity I checked the normal timetables (without the Tilburg issues): even from Arnhem it's still slightly faster to go straight to Roosendaal than via Utrecht - Rotterdam.
That Zwolle - Roosendaal IC is an interesting service, looks like the backbone of internal NL

PS: unless you want to use the HSL from Rotterdam.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 07:40 PM   #2208
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The Zwolle - Roosendaal IC is comprised of a few overlapping services, demand for services between cities outside of these relations is quite low. The IC links Zwolle - Deventer, Deventer - Arnhem, Arnhem - Nijmegen, Nijmegen - 's-Hertogenbosch and 's-Hertogenbosch - Roosendaal.

I wouldn't really call it a backbone, there are services which play a bigger part. For example, the services between Eindhoven, Nijmegen, Alkmaar and Schiphol.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 09:26 PM   #2209
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That's why I specified "of internal NL"... which automatically means "not that important"

But still it's an interesting connection towards the South, although I'm convinced that it's not moving great masses around the Country.
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The problem with that IC is that is stops too often between Nijmegen and Arnhem, and Deventer and Zwolle. It shouldn't stop in places like Lent, Elst or Wijhe
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The problem with that IC is that is stops too often between Nijmegen and Arnhem, and Deventer and Zwolle. It shouldn't stop in places like Lent, Elst or Wijhe
But if you would make it skip these stops you would need to provide more sprinters on this line. I doubt it would make sense financially...
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But if you would make it skip these stops you would need to provide more sprinters on this line. I doubt it would make sense financially...
no need to. Bizarrely enough, ICs coming from Utrecht and terminating in Nijmegen don't stop on the stations in between, but the IC Rosendaal-Zwolle does. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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Not so bizarre: as said by AlexNL, the services to Utrecht are much more important than the Roosendaal - Zwolle.
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The Zwolle - Roosendaal IC is comprised of a few overlapping services, demand for services between cities outside of these relations is quite low. The IC links Zwolle - Deventer, Deventer - Arnhem, Arnhem - Nijmegen, Nijmegen - 's-Hertogenbosch and 's-Hertogenbosch - Roosendaal.

I wouldn't really call it a backbone, there are services which play a bigger part. For example, the services between Eindhoven, Nijmegen, Alkmaar and Schiphol.
One way of thinking of this is that Zwolle to Roosendaal used to be a Sneltrein, so not important enough to be Intercity.
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The Zwolle - Roosendaal service will be sped up between Arnhem and Nijmegen once more capacity is made available, it will then no longer call at intermediate stations. Additional sprinter services will fill the gap left by the IC.

When the IC is sped up, this means that timings down the line also change. It's virtually impossible to change the timetable north of Arnhem due to the absence of a 2nd track between Deventer and Zwolle (you can thank the Germans for that) and because of the connections in Zwolle. Hence, the timing changes have to be applied in Brabant.

If nothing would change in Brabant, this would mean that between Tilburg and Breda, the IC Zwolle - Roosendaal is just a few minutes apart from the IC heading to/coming from The Hague. So NS is most likely to wait until this IC is routed over the high speed line, as this would also cause timing changes in Brabant. Basically, the two ICs could be more or less swapped around.
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between Arnhem and Nijmegen once more capacity is made available
How?
Maybe Nijmegen station needs a track plan a bit less XIX century style...

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It's virtually impossible to change the timetable north of Arnhem due to the absence of a 2nd track between Deventer and Zwolle (you can thank the Germans for that) and because of the connections in Zwolle.
Didn't know that. But they're 9 km with a ready to use ROW, should not be a big deal (if ever needed).
It's a bit risky to run such a long distance service, which has to cross many nodes, with a strip of single track in the middle.

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So NS is most likely to wait until this IC is routed over the high speed line, as this would also cause timing changes in Brabant.
You mean that there are plans to send the DH - Venlo via HSL instead of via Dordrecht?
Today it's already a bit faster than the usual ICs (skips Schiedam and Blaak), so it's a deliberate policy.

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used to be a Sneltrein, so not important enough to be Intercity.
That's exactly the problem. Remember that the VIRM isn't called VIRM for nothing. The letters IR mean Inter Regional, which was the class originally intended to replace the sneltrein. This 3rd class of train should be reinstated. Currently a lot of services called Intercity don't deserve that designation.
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How?
By limiting the Arnhem - Tiel service to Elst (where a 3rd platform is under construction). This will clear the way for the IC to run non stop. An additional sprinter train will compensate for the intermediate stations.
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You mean that there are plans to send the DH - Venlo via HSL instead of via Dordrecht?
Today it's already a bit faster than the usual ICs (skips Schiedam and Blaak), so it's a deliberate policy.

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Yes, those plans exist but due to rolling stock shortages the service will be reduced to The Hague - Eindhoven. The rolling stock that is going to be used is the same as currently found on the HSL and towards Brussels, ICRm coaches and Traxx locos.
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Yes, those plans exist but due to rolling stock shortages the service will be reduced to The Hague - Eindhoven. The rolling stock that is going to be used is the same as currently found on the HSL and towards Brussels, ICRm coaches and Traxx locos.
So will there be new Intercity services Eindhoven-Venlo, or just Sprinters calling at all stations between Eindhoven and Venlo?
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As it currently stands, there will be more trains between Amsterdam and Eindhoven, bringing the total up to 6 tph. Two of them will continue to Venlo.
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